User talk:87Fan

Welcome and introduction

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Hi there

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Hi mate, I've seen you round adding useful stuff to Bowie articles. I was responsible for getting most of the albums from 1967 to 1980 into a decent state but these days I generally just keep them on my watchlist and tweak formatting or revert vandalism. Great that you collected and kept those music mags, I still have a few myself that've proved useful on WP, such as the Dame's in-depth NME interview around the time of Scary Monsters and Elephant Man in 1980. Re. the latest addition to the 1967 album, appears the quote is an 'extended version' of one I already had in the Influences section. I was thinking perhaps we merge them, moving the full quote from its own section to Influences. WDYT? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm totally ok with the change you suggest. I'm embarrassed that I didn't notice you already had the quote in the Influences section - didn't mean to be repetitive. Feel free to chop up my changes - or even revert them if you feel they don't add anything. Thanks! 87Fan (talk) 01:31, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Heathen

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Hello, I have some questions on your editions in Heathen. Let's talk about it here. Thanks, NandO talk! 06:44, 20 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi.

As you may or may not have seen, i`m semi retired from this wonderful project, mainly because the work of assessment its endless and unthankful, but if everyone was as you, i probably still would be around.

The articles are quite good, the only thing missing are more categories, by the way, the tool to add, modify or remove categories is awesome and wasn`t there when i was heavy editing; other than that, images are always good, reception section is a must in album articles, don`t know if the tours have reviews, if they do, then they MUST be in the article, and a music sample goes a LONG way to becoming a GA.

Anything else, you let me know, i still check my watchlist several times a day.

PS: I also watched Labyrinth and loved it, specially Sir... don`t remember but he rode a dog and wanted to play scrabble at the end. Zidane tribal (talk) 01:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback, I may take a stab at upgrading some of the C-class articles to B-class over time. You're thinking of Sir Didymus from Labyrinth btw! 87Fan (talk) 23:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Never Let Me Down

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I've begun the GA review for Never Let Me Down, and would like your thoughts on a few points on the review page. Thanks for your work on this one--I'm sorry you had to wait so long for a review! -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:28, 18 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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The Good Article Barnstar
For your contributions to bring Never Let Me Down to Good Article status. Thanks from me and David Bowie, and keep up the good work! -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:52, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

reffing a facebook post

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Saw your question in the edit summary. I don't know that there's any established way, but a normal web citation template ought to do it--just add the URL, date, and accessdate, with "David Bowie official Facebook page" or a similar phrase under "publisher". You might use a web archiver like WebCite to save it for future reference, too, since this is something that might be a dead link in a year. You can see the template at User:Khazar2/Useful. Hope this helps! -- Khazar2 (talk) 17:57, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Glass Spider Tour

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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Glass Spider Tour you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Khazar2 -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:51, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Glass Spider Tour

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The article Glass Spider Tour you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Glass Spider Tour for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Khazar2 -- Khazar2 (talk) 15:11, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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The Good Article Barnstar
For your contributions to bring Glass Spider Tour to Good Article status. Thanks, and keep up the good work! -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:02, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]


And thanks for cleaning up after me in the references section! Cheers, Khazar2 (talk) 16:02, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Glass Spider Tour

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The article Glass Spider Tour you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Glass Spider Tour for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Khazar2 -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:12, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article Stephen Nichols (dancer) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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Precious

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never let me down
Thank you for quality articles, based on a "whole trunk of clippings, magazines and reviews from about 1987 through 1997", on albums such as Nothing Has Changed and tours such as Serious Moonlight Tour, for improving song articles and starting them, for uploading cover images, for missing, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:56, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A year ago, you were the 973rd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Feels like a lot longer than a year ago, but thank you! 87Fan (talk) 15:00, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Five years ago, you were recipient no. 973 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 87fan. You wrote:"In 6 years no one has edited the article to include a single reference to the song charting anywhere. " Try the following links:

UK chart pos for Everyone Says Hi: [1]

Germany:[2]

The links appear on the David Bowie Discography page, which also refers to the article which I restored. Mlindroo (talk) 14:00, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

January 2016

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Information icon Please do not delete or flag potential "spoilers" in Wikipedia articles, as you did in the article Dark Matter (TV series). It is generally expected that the subjects of Wikipedia articles will be covered in detail, and giving a section a title such as "Plot" or "Ending" is considered sufficient warning to the reader that the text will contain revelations about the narrative. Deleting such information makes the article less useful for a reader who is specifically trying to find out more about the subject. For more information, see Wikipedia's guidelines on spoilers. Thank you. Alex|The|Whovian? 10:06, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your mutilation of my re-vamped Religion and spirituality section (David Bowie)

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1. You claim wp:or. The statement in the first para was supported by everything in the section, which is what wp:or requires, so wp:or has been adhered to.

2. You claim to be deleting lyrics, but you also deleted statements made in interviews.

3. The new section has already received approval.

4. Please do not just go ahead and mutilate a piece of work as you have without even discussing it in the relevant Talk section. If you choose to read that you will find that the very first quote (not lyric) which you deleted was noticed in an article found by a very highly reputable Wikipedian and highlighted by someone else again. Thank you. Boscaswell (talk) 18:34, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Incomplete DYK nomination

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Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/David Bowie's art collection at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 18:17, 17 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of David Bowie's art collection

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Hello! Your submission of David Bowie's art collection at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Bcp67 (talk) 11:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

87Fan, it's been two weeks and you haven't made any response to the review. Please stop by at the earliest possible moment; typical response time is expected to be within seven days of notification, and this is over twice that. The nomination is in danger of being closed if we don't hear from you, which would be a shame. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:40, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lazarus (musical)

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Hi, I noticed that you reverted some of my edits to Lazarus_(musical). I didn't realise about 1st party vs 3rd party, so thank you for teaching me that. I think some the things you reverted are relevant, so I've started a discussion on the talk page which you may be interested in. MarpoHarks (talk) 14:51, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

David Bowie GA songs

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Hello there,

I want to ask you to be careful with the placement of the songs, you put them under the wrong section. Not "music", but "songs", that's the right placement.

Best regards, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Day-In Day-Out

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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Day-In Day-Out you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cartoon network freak -- Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:01, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Never Let Me Down (song)

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Your GA nomination of Time Will Crawl

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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Time Will Crawl you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cartoon network freak -- Cartoon network freak (talk) 10:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Day-In Day-Out

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The article Day-In Day-Out you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Day-In Day-Out for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cartoon network freak -- Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:01, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Time Will Crawl

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The article Time Will Crawl you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Time Will Crawl for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cartoon network freak -- Cartoon network freak (talk) 14:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Time Will Crawl

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The article Time Will Crawl you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Time Will Crawl for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cartoon network freak -- Cartoon network freak (talk) 16:02, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Time Will Crawl

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On 21 February 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Time Will Crawl, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that David Bowie wrote the lyrics to his 1987 song "Time Will Crawl" after hearing of the Chernobyl disaster, and later chose the song as one of his favorites from his entire career? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Time Will Crawl. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Time Will Crawl), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Never Let Me Down (song)

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The article Never Let Me Down (song) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Never Let Me Down (song) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cartoon network freak -- Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:20, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Never Let Me Down (song)

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The article Never Let Me Down (song) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Never Let Me Down (song) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cartoon network freak -- Cartoon network freak (talk) 06:21, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Good Article Nominations Page Needs Your Help!

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Your GA nomination of Glass Spider

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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Glass Spider you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tbhotch -- Tbhotch (talk) 00:02, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Glass Spider

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The article Glass Spider you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Glass Spider for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tbhotch -- Tbhotch (talk) 01:01, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Glass Spider

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The article Glass Spider you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Glass Spider for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tbhotch -- Tbhotch (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]


List of highest-grossing concert tours

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Can you please take a look at List of highest-grossing concert tours request on talk page? I know that by consensus Michael Jackson's Immortal tour does not fit on this list but since the article is pretty much built on sources from Billboard and Pollstar and both those sources include it in their list, could we perhaps add a small footnote at the bottom of the page something like "Although not included in this article, Billboard and Pollstar list Cirque du Soleil's "Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour" in their list of Top 10 highest grossing tours of all time at $371,000,000." I think that would be sufficient to make the article more complete and not keep having further questions of why that is included in the sources but not the article. Here are the sources: https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6251218/michael-jackson-immortal-tour-eighth-best https://www.axs.com/top-10-highest-cash-grossing-concert-tours-34634 Appreciate your insight and thanks for your help! Patelgybed688 (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Album-equivalent units

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Hello! I hope you are doing well! I have noticed that you un-did some of my sales from numerous bowie albums. Just want to inform you that the album equivalent unit does exist! follow this link here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album-equivalent_unit its kind of confusing yet the way the music industry calculates an album's sales.Thank you,hope you have a good day!

Thanks for creating "David Bowie Is" article

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Hi - I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your work in creating the article David Bowie Is - I visited the exhibition in Chicago a few years ago (not long before his death) and was really fascinated by it. It had been on my to-do list for a while to start an article for it, but I had never gotten around to it, and so I was quite pleased when I saw you had taken the initiative to start one. KConWiki (talk) 16:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go" Rolling Stone Article?

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Hi,

Would you be willing to share the Rolling Stone article that you quoted from for the Wiki page? It seems like a really interesting article and I can't find it online.

Thanks for your efforts! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DELB007 (talkcontribs) 06:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

--Removed edit to "All Good Things …"--

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Thanks for removing my post. It was a really inarticulate sentence. I just wanted to post something, and had recently seen that episode. I still think the comment is valid, but I'm not sure what topic it's associated with. I'll comment on the talk page (which I've discovered). Maybe that'll help. Though I don't seem to be using this right. Liberty5651 (talk) 18:06, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sound and Vision Space Oddity

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Okay, first, I am the person that has been changing the space oddity thing on Sound And Vision. The reason I have been changing it is because Bowie sang it multiple times after 1990. Once in 1997 for his birthday concert at MSG, however this one was a solo, without Gail. The second time was at Carnegie Hall in 2002, once again without Gail. The third and last time was in Denmark later that year, finally in a concert with Gail. That is where the lone time comes from, she may have only done it once, but Bowie did it more. Also made references to it in 2004 but only the first line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmtyIHz9-ds 1997

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUDcxBIckSA 2002

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkhZKJJEBe4 2002 Final Time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1015elvis (talkcontribs) 03:43, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@1015elvis: Thank you for reaching out. I totally believe you. I think what would be best is to change the article appropriately - keeping both sets of information (played with a band only once, played by Bowie "alone" a few times). Would you like to make that change, or should I? Thanks! 87Fan (talk) 03:46, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@87Fan: You can do it, I just wanted to get the right information on it.1015elvis (talk) 03:52, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Started article on Owen Frampton

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Hello - Today I started a stub on Owen Frampton - It is still in very basic form, but if you have any information to contribute, please feel free. Thanks KConWiki (talk) 02:19, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Book you might enjoy

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Hello - I am about halfway through "Bowie's Bookshelf: The Hundred Books that Changed David Bowie's Life", and if you have not read it yet, I bet you would really enjoy it. Review here. KConWiki (talk) 18:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 87Fan! I just wanted to let you know that on my quest to expand David Bowie's entire discography, I have (finally) reached Let's Dance. While I'm still not done with it, after I expand Tonight, I do plan on making some improvements to Never Let Me Down. I know you brought it to GA many years ago but I do think there are some things that can be added to it. It'll probably not be until next month or further but I just wanted to let you know in advance! – zmbro (talk) 01:46, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bowie

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Idk about you, but I really hope Pegg releases a new version of The Complete David Bowie one of these days. Would really appreciate his coverage of everything that's come out since 2016, especially with Toy now coming out finally. – zmbro (talk) 20:27, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Zmbro: I wonder if he's been waiting for the obvious stuff to drop (this final Bowie box, the Tin Machine box? "Blaze"?) before doing something like this - on one hand, maybe it's frustrating to have to re-publish every once in a while just for a few more songs, but on the other, folks like us will buy each new edition :) . 87Fan (talk) 15:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I'm assuming. I really hope he publishes another version, especially since quite a few things, i.e. Toy, "Mother", "Cosmic Dancer", etc., are now outdated, and websites really aren't the best for this type of info xP I'm also really wanting to know his opinion on other things like the 2017 Lodger mix and Never Let Me Down 2018. – zmbro (talk) 16:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for BowieNet

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On 15 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article BowieNet, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1998, David Bowie launched BowieNet, a pioneering internet service provider which offered exclusive access to audio recordings, music videos, an online chat, and a virtual world? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/BowieNet. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, BowieNet), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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