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They seem like a sock of Thakor Sumantsinhji Jhala, for example see this edit war over a redirect hijacking [1] between them and an IP , I think they were edit warring while logged out with themselves to create an illusion of them not being TSJ because they reverted the IP only a minute later.

• IP hijacks redirect at 17:35, 12 July 2024
• revert by Helping birds at 17:36, 12 July 2024 Ratnahastin (talk) 15:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, they could have been edit-warring with themselves. There are so many LTAs in the caste, esp. Rajput, area that it is hard to be sure of who's who and what mental games they are trying. Blockworthy in any case. Abecedare (talk) 15:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems my suspicions were correct , they indeed are a sock of TSJ. [2] Ratnahastin (talk) 04:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you have a look at this draft [3] ? It seems like one of TSJ's creation. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:58, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ratnahastin: Probable. Lets keep an eye for now. Abecedare (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That took a strange turn with the random harassment. There were several red flags around their perms requests, but I wasn't expecting that. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosguill: I came in from the opposite direction. Saw the the harassment. Blocked etc. And then followed the trail to stuff at, and linked from, the permission request pages. Weird indeed. Abecedare (talk) 19:52, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now looking at the full trajectory, it looks like a more standard meltdown in response to repeatedly failing to have clue about appropriate pace and boundaries on Wikipedia. I hadn't seen the part where David Gerard initially got involved, so from Twinkle1990's contribution history it looked for a moment like they abruptly decided to lash out at David out of nowhere. At this point, I suspect that the initial UPE concerns were unfounded, but the high-speed low-clue attitude is clearly a problem and I agree with an indefinite block until they've calmed down and can promise not to drag David into this again. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 21:01, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have puzzled about could explain the editor's conduct today and at the permission request pages over the previous months, and have come up with nothing entirely satisfactory. Lets see if they file an unblock request after a break and what they say. (small fix: Doug Weller, rather than David Gerard). Abecedare (talk) 01:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Abecedare, hope you are fine. Would request you to look at the revision history of the article on Jadaun (clan). Persistent caste related POV pushing (disruptive editing) by IP and unexplained reverts have become a regular issue. Please intervene. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 05:15, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ekdalian: Done. Btw, you may want to double check the version you reverted to since this edit since your previous version removed {{qn}} and {{full}} tags w/o providing that information and added a citation to this 1900 book. Always difficult to know which of the versions is preferable when its two apparent socks reverting each other. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 05:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your prompt action. Let me check the issues! Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 06:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it is regarding this. Note that this might be a sock of YilevBot, new SPI case here. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Fylindfotberserk: Thanks for that info. Not familiar with the sockmaster myself but several CUs (Drmies, Spicy and Ponyo) seem to be. So hopefully, the SPI will be resolved soon w/o needing a deep dive into the behavioral matches. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 18:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proxy removing my PROD incidentally the same day it was supposed to close much like HB's other socks Alvin1783 and Festivalfalcon873-[4], [5]. Alvin1783 was also using proxies and pretending to be from Germany; Finmas, Dazzem, Dekhoaayadon etc were also confirmed to be using proxies. In addition, the proxy also "incidentally" made his next edit on a page that Noorullah21, another user whom HB has significant grievances with, just recently created

Can this proxy be blocked per Wikipedia's open proxy policy-"Open or anonymizing proxies, including Tor as well as many public VPNs, may be blocked from editing for any period at any time." and obvious sock puppetry? Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Southasianhistorian8: I was about to suggest that AFD would be a better venue to discuss the article's notability than relying on a prod (which, even if granted is easily reversed), but I see that you have already anticipated my advice. I've watchlisted the AFD page and will protect it if sockpuppetry becomes an issue so that the discussion can focus on the subject and sources.

139.228.59.123 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is surely being used for block-evasion but I'm not too familiar with the tools available to check for open proxies and so can't say if the IP is one. Perhaps you can ask a CU at their talkpage or at WP:OP/R. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 21:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Southasianhistorian8: I would suggest removing the last two para's from your AFD nomination statement since those issues are relevant to the question of notability of Katoch–Sikh war per se. Just ping me if there are signs of socking at the AFD and I'll see what can be done to keep the discussion disruption-free. Abecedare (talk) 21:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the last 2 paragraphs. Thanks for the advice and vigilance. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 23:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Rolando 1208 continues to remove English pronunciations from articles, despite MOS:LEADPRON and MOS:DUALPRON. The discussion is about the topic User:Rolando 1208. Thank you. Theknightwho (talk) 04:12, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]