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I'm currently on a wikibreak but may be back at another time. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 28 Cheshvan 5776 16:18, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi - actually I noticed you editing before you posted to me. Many apologies for taking so long to get back - real life (major Christmas decorating being part) has interfered, will try to look at this today. Dougweller (talk) 06:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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	For your fine work on Tel Kabri. Geewhiz (talk) 20:42, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding self-citation, see many of our articles on Iowa archaeology. Much of the work in the general Iowa archaeology article, plus much of the work in site articles such as Edgewater Park Site, was done by User:Billwhittaker (no longer editing, sadly; he was a real help in many ways), otherwise known as William Whittaker. Nobody's objected to the fact that he cited articles that he wrote or helped to write (he's a coauthor on the Midcontinental Journal of Archaeology article that's the source for the whole Edgewater Park article), since he presented it in a neutral manner, not self-serving, and he followed all other relevant policies. I'm not entirely sure that I understand your question (forgive me if I've mangled your meaning), but I hope this is helpful. Nyttend (talk) 05:25, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay, I see what you mean. I'd have to agree with Jc3s5h at WP:HD on the authority bit, but the rest of what you're saying seems in line with my thoughts. Have to say I know virtually nothing about Middle Eastern archaeology (I know what a tel is, but that's about it), with most of my knowledge being New World: I had a roommate who was a Mayanist, and my interest in historic preservation (e.g. List of archaeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places in Illinois) makes me aware of issues related to archaeological sites that are designated as historic sites. Nyttend (talk) 05:40, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to reply. What do you mean about "What about prehistoric sites though?", meanwhile? I understand that it's a joke, but I didn't get it :-) Nyttend (talk) 03:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, now I get it. You're meaning prehistoric as opposed to "designated as historic sites"? I totally forgot what I'd been saying just before then. Here I thought you were lightly denigrating North American sites as all being new enough that they were basically historical archaeology, as opposed to Neanderthals or other farther-back times. Yes, we've got prehistoric too; some near me are the Ennis Archaeological Site (7000+ years of occupation) and the Rockhouse Cliffs Rockshelters (continuous use since 10000 BP). Nyttend (talk) 03:42, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I couldn't see clearly enough, is that you on the cover! What fun. I didn't get into amateur archaeology until I was in my 50s, which I always regret. In fact, I almost did archaeology at Yale but was somehow convinced I needed to be good at languages, which I wasn't. So, are you convinced now that's David's palace? Dougweller (talk) 16:58, 13 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I patrolled your page. I went through the enormously-backlogged list of newly-created pages and confirmed that your page was okay: not spam, not an attack page, not a copyright violation, not any of the other reasons for which I would delete someone's page without asking. Then I clicked "patrolled" to remove it from the list of "pages that have not yet been patrolled", and moved on to the next entry. That's all. DS (talk) 00:57, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

<nowiki> to open, and the same thing but with a / after the < to close. --Orange Mike | Talk 13:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Is there another term than firing? Activating? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 22 Shevat 5774 14:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'd probably say "to prevent the code from being implemented". --Orange Mike | Talk 15:56, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, too wordy. :pSir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 22 Shevat 5774 16:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I started to make a map of the Tel Kabri region including al-Kabri. Please see here for a very preliminary preview. I need to add a legend, and several other things. Also there are some problems that I didn't have time to solve (example: where is "area A"?). The various maps you and I found don't always agree with each other. In particular the maps in the excavation reports are only approximately to scale and sometimes show north off by 10-20 degrees. But I tried to reconcile them as I can. The decision to include the site of al-Kabri means that the Tel Kabri excavation area is smaller than ideal, but maybe it will suffice. Any input you can make would be appreciated. I'll watch this page, so you can answer here. Cheers, Zero^talk 01:03, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I think it's probably an issue with their surveying methods. It was the time before total stations and even the current dig still uses dumpies. As for Area A's location, there doesn't appear to be any map with Area on it, and so we'll have to go off of Prausnitz's works. Here is Prausnitz 1959, Prausnitz 1970, and Prausnitz 1977. So Area appears to benorh of the Ein Giah spring and on an a terraced slop anbove another spring, Ein Fawara, both of which are close to Et-Tell. Kind of wishing I'd explored that area a bit more. Next time I'm at Kabri I'm going to have to go hunting for the springs and these other areas during breakfast. Although I may have actually done wet-sieving in one of the springs now that I think about it. I'll have to ask which spring it was.Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 26 Shevat 5774 11:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

On another note, I've been working on an overhaul of the article in my userspace: User:Flinders Petrie/Tel Kabri, which I'm going to take public soon.Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 26 Shevat 5774 11:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also forgot to say that the map looks great!Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 26 Shevat 5774 11:14, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, on a last note, I would try to label the springs and their locations. I'll look at Kempinski's report at some point and see if he included a map of the springs specifically in the chapter covering them. Ein Shefa is their as the south pool and Ein Giah as the north, but I think Ein Fawara (where I believe we did our wet-sieving) and the fourth one are a bit harder to spot....Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 26 Shevat 5774 23:09, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think the two "pools" I marked are Ein Shefa and Ein Giah. But I don't see Ein Fawara on any map. Area A seems to be outside the rampart. I'm out of town for a few days... Zero^talk 09:18, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They are indeed, I've always found having them labeled as 'pools' to be confusing though. It turns out that Ein Fawara is just the Arabic name of Ein Giah by the way. Kempinski's report gives all the springs and their Hebrew and Arabic names. Soooo, Area A would be somewhere near the modern gate into Tel Kabri (a little east of Ein Giah, I know because I've run after the bus down that road and there is a definite incline....)Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 27 Shevat 5774 18:42, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the only info I've been able to find for the other two springs, Ein haShayara and Ein Tsuf. Kempinski talks about them, but they are further from the actual tel than I thought. Bersche 2009 and Magal et al. 2013. If you could, I would add them in if they fit into the current scope of the map just so future researchers don't have lots of questions about where stuff is (and trust me, it can be an issue at times).Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 28 Shevat 5774 00:42, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a significantly more helpful map if you can read Hebrew. It very clearly shows where the springs are in relation to the ramparts. [1]

Which is the map you linked me a while back.... Sorry....Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 28 Shevat 5774 23:36, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All righty, so going to have to familiarise myself with Kabri again both for this and for the coming season. I think when I said east of the Spring btw, I meant west, sorry about that.... Now something I didn't notice before is that Kempinski says in Page 2 of the Final Report that Area A was near Dharat et-Tell, which is apparently the full name of et-Tell. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 6 Tevet 5775 00:44, 28 December 2014 (UTC)Edit: Also should mention I'm doing a big edit of the article in a workspace: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flinders_Petrie/Tel_Kabri. There's a new image and a table and thankfully some nice new articles to mine for info. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 6 Tevet 5775 00:52, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So scratch everything I've said about the location of A. I found it on a map! Kempinski put it on his page 3 map of Tel Kabri's areas in the final report. It's all the way in the upper right corner. Look next to the north arrow. The fun thing is that I don't think anyone's noticed it in a long time, haha. According to page 299 of the same volume (Marder, et al., 2002), the area covers 150 sqm., but no shape is given. It's something! Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 6 Tevet 5775 05:37, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The mandate-era 1:20,000 map shows "Dhahr et Tell" roughly in that place. It wasn't a name for the village. There was a mill or lime-kiln mid-way between A and T (the water-wheel symbol on the map can mean either). Btw, "dhahr" means "ridge". Zero^talk 06:41, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ein haShayara and Ein Tsuf are exactly where the Arab village of al Kabri was. So they are on the map but marking them is a problem. Zero^talk 06:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I assumed it was the long form of the Arab name and was asking a native Arabic-speaking friend what it means and he said I'd need to be more specific (is it ذ or ظ? Basically.) and I wasn't sure, but put in context he said the whole name meant "back of the hill". That's his Gulf dialect though. What you said makes more sense in this context. According to the 1:50,000 map you posted back on the article's talk page [2], it's an Ottoman-era flour mill. Would the problem with the springs be showing them? In the actual placement, just make them look like the other springs, with no green colouring even if they're in the village (not sure if that's the issue, but just in case). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 6 Tevet 5775 14:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note on those two springs, Tsuk says in the final report (Page 15 in the footnote), "On the new recent 1:50.000 scale maps the locations of 'Ein ha-Shayara and 'Ein Tsuf have been switched. The former should be more northerly." I believe she's referring to that map up above. Only just spotted this while looking for something else. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 7 Tevet 5775 04:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's good to know. I'll make a new draft map soon. Incidentally, on the 1:20,000 maps of the mandate era there are a lot more names than on the smaller scale maps. "Dhahr et Tell" seems to be a "field name", i.e. the name of some parcel of land rather than of a village or natural feature. There is also cadastral data, which was the main purpose of the maps. The rampart and surrounds, but not al-Kabri village, were within the village lands of Al Nahr. Zero^talk 08:38, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

At Amudanan you can see two 1:50,000 maps (see the menu on the right). The order of the names of these springs is different for the two maps. The most recent map (ממ״ג 1:50,000) shows them in the order Tsuk says is correct. They also moved a little bit away from the road. Zooming in on the satelite photo (same site) you can see a substantial pond, but the springs are marked about 100m to the right of that. Zero^talk 10:31, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, could you by chance photograph some of those maps and upload them to imgur? The more you talk about them, the more I want to see them. I'm also starting work on a separate academia.edu article for the whole history of these settlements (the ancient settlement, the villages, and the kibbutz) just so it can be collected together and some analysis can be done with the available records (I hope I've got access to most of them). All I've found in sources so far is stuff here and there and we've all used it to cobble together patchy histories in separate Wikipedia articles. I want to try and fix that. Of course, being careful not to have overlap is going to be a pain, haha. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 7 Tevet 5775 17:12, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, new version at File:TelKabriRegion.png. I added the springs (please check spellings). Of course it needs a legend. What else? Zero^talk 11:33, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The image of the tel that showed Area A also shows the borders of the other areas. Maybe put those in as well, because except for D and F, the others haven't changed, although I don't know about the state of E as there was some work nearby in 2004. I know it's rather long and slender, but a label for the long Mekorot trench? Also, maybe colour the spring pools in a very light blue so they look different from the excavated areas. In the case of the al-Kabri ones, clear the green away from the pools and then fill them in light blue. It'll still be clear they're in the village's grounds. Do you think you could also colour the excavation trenches (the archaeological ones, not the Mekorot) light brown? Just the ones for which we're sure of the boundaries. I think it would help them stick out. Also, on the aqueduct, maybe label the current one we have there as an Ottoman

Now, on the aqueducts, there's an interesting thing going on. Tsuk also talks about a Hellenistic aqueduct and speculates that maybe it drew from Ein Shefa and references Frankel in 1985. I have that article photocopied, and Frankel appears to show two Turkish Aqueducts leading from Ein Tsuf. Frankel doesn't show the Hellenistic one leading to Kabri though, just a wee off-shoot further south. He doesn't show the aqueduct that runs along the perimeter of Lohame HaGeta'ot either for some reason even though it's very visible, especially right south of the kibbutz. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 7 Tevet 5775 17:12, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is as far as I got today (refresh if it looks the same). Now my Photoshop file has about 40 layers (you can have it when we are done if you use Photoshop). I did some colouring, added a scale, and added a legend. As yet I didn't try to mark the B, C, D, E, F regions. Suppose I colour them brown like the trenches and call them just "excavations" in the legend? Other puzzles not solved: on the northern boundary at "T" some maps like NEAEHL write "fort" and others write nothing. At the north-west corner near where the road, rampart and aqueduct meet, NEAEHL writes "fort" and other maps write "tower?". What to do? Also, is one of these the "palace"? Zero^talk 06:23, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great! Also, sure, I've Photoshop, so why not? The excavated areas and trenches are one and the same (except for the very long and slender cut from the edge of the tell to the center by Mekorot, the water company, marked "1961 section," that's just a public works project). I'm not sure why so many of the maps display Area C so prominently to the exclusion of others, but yeah, light brown would work for them I think. Maybe make the Mekorot Trench orange or something and label it separately? It's not archaeological, but it's there (and the giant pipe runs along the road in Area D), and it is responsible for the discovery of Area D in the first place and most of the later excavations. Yeah, I'd combine the letter labels for the trenches with the Excavated Area label (put them next to each other in the legend) and just call them as such. I'm looking at Kempinski's report and the structure in Area T is a very sturdy-looking (5.5m wide) section of wall. There's a nice photo and everything (p. 38). As for the tower, Kempinski's says, "In the 1950s a huge stone-built tower, which may have been associated with a gate, was identified in the northwest." (p. 35) Well, Area D and Area F are the palace, or at least as much of the palace as has been uncovered so far. It has, by no means, been completely excavated, even by us. It's well-massive and I'm not sure have its exact borders are known, even by the various advanced survey methods used. I wish there was a way to show the current extent of D-F, but I don't have access to that map if such a map exists. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 8 Tevet 5775 15:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Did we see this report before? The map has some details I don't recall. Zero^talk 12:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We did not! I'm going to have to buy Nimrôd a beer now. It looks like there's a lot of useful info in there, though it's not as helpful for showing the expansions of Areas D and F. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 7 Shevat 5775 17:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In light of this, we need to figure out how to differentiate between areas excavated by season. The only concern is that it might get incredibly busy.... Though we could have multiple maps, like one for the Tel and the surrounding area showing the locations of various settlements throughout history and put that in the history section. Relating to the archaeology section, we could have individual ones related to each archaeology section (like early, Kempinski, '99 and '04, and then our current one when we finally get the maps showing that) that just show those areas excavated and label them by (area if available) and year of excavation and these could go in a separate gallery section. Also an overall map showing all the areas excavated which could be placed in the Archaeology section itself. All with past settlement areas illustrated. Is there a way to do that without putting too much of a burden on you like say different layers in Photoshop?

On another note, this "Khalaily, Marder and Zinobi trial trenches" bit is interesting and bears further research which I'll have to do at some point. Marder doesn't talk about anything like this in the Kempinski final report and I don't like having missed info on a dig at Kabri. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 7 Shevat 5775 18:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at Shalem's 1999 report again (published in 2009 and requires a free account to download, and she included a map of her areas which she also gave letters to! They're labelled 4 in the Getsev article; maybe A'-E' in the map if we use them? Although that just makes things a bit problematic; at least worth putting in the prose though.... Also, wrong Nimrod, I know another one who works at Kabri. Our Nimrod might have stuff relating to that other Marder dig though. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 8 Shevat 5775 04:16, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: *Sigh* Actually, they're "squares" (as in dig squares), not areas. So scratch that.... Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 8 Shevat 5775 04:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I just came across your userpage and saw this draft. I have a few changes to recommend. Are you interested? And if yes, would you mind if I did it myself?

Sincerely yours, הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 22:12, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Go for it!Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 29 Shevat 5774 22:45, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, except that the page's title is still Joel Ben Simeon instead of Joel ben Simeon; I feel it's wrong to move pages in someone else's userspace, so I left it as it is.

Also, please consider removing the [[Sofer (scribe)|Jewish scribe]] link: a "Sofer", in the sense that the Hebrew term is used in English, is a scribe that writes religious books whose writing is dictated by the strict laws of Safrut; a Haggadah is not—the scribe was free to write it in any way he wished.

הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 22:58, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I might revisit that page at some point just for the heck of it, and I'll make those edits (those edits maybe later today, and the revisiting of that page for further expansion, much later). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 30 Shevat 5774 12:14, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've also taken the liberty of adding the Hebrew spelling of his other name, with a source. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 23:17, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Side point: I'm curious, how do you put the Hebrew date in your signature? הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 23:17, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well this is the code that's hanging around in my prefereces, but I don't remember if you need to change any other settings: {{SUBST:#time: xjj xjF xjY}} Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 30 Shevat 5774 12:14, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! (Not that I intend on using it in my signature, but it's a very interesting function.) The relevant documentation is apparently here. הסרפד (call me Hasirpad) 19:04, 31 January 2014 (UTC) 30 Shevat ה'תשע"ד‎ ‎[reply]

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Hi, Welcome back. The situation remains as it was before, see your section #Kabri map above. I notice that you had some suggestions for adding information that I didn't add yet. They are back on my todo list. Let's communicate in the above section so that the conversation remains together. Zero^talk 00:05, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When an archaeological report gives a date in "years BP", does it mean years before the publication of the report or years before some fixed moment? I have a vague recollection that it means years before 1950. Thanks. Zero^talk 06:50, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your recollection is correct. BP has to do with radiocarbon dating and the term means years Before Present. The reason for it being 1950 is because after that point the level of carbon isotopes in the atmosphere was substantially altered by all the nuclear-testing of the Cold War. It will be interesting to see how people tackle that dating approach when we reach 2050.... Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 8 Tevet 5775 14:39, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes the way to end a silly discussion of profanity may be with a profanity. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:47, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is very true. Especially light ones like that. However, the thank you was because the close message made me laugh. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 13 Tevet 5775 02:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did you get the stuff I sent? Zero^talk 08:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, right, I did! Thank you very much. Cline thought it was hilarious. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 16 Tevet 5775 08:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just saw the others. I wonder how many other things get lost in my junk mail folder.... Thanks again! I really appreciate it. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 16 Tevet 5775 17:01, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should be four mails with attachments altogether. Zero^talk 02:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Sorry it took so long to get back to you about casalia, but there are two books you should check out, and certain chapters of those books specifically. One is Crusader Institutions by Joshua Prawer, chapters 5 and 6 - almost 100 pages of the book, all about rural/agricultural settlements during the crusader period. The other is The Feudal Nobility and the Kingdom of Jerusalem by Jonathan Riley-Smith, chapter 3 (only about 20 pages this time). To define it extremely briefly, a casal is basically any rural settlement from which the crusader nobility extracted revenue from agricultural products. Rather than me attempting to explain it here, you'd be better off just reading Riley-Smith at the very least! Hope that helps! Adam Bishop (talk) 01:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Adrian J. Boas, "Domestic Settings; Sources on Domestic Architecture and Day-to-Day Activities in the Crusader States". Brill, 2010. From the glossary p364:

Casal (casale, casalia) Latinized French term for village which was in common use in the Latin East originated in Western Europe and stemmed from the Latin word, casa (house or farm); casal being a cluster of houses in a rural setting. Occasionally it is referred to in equivalent terms such as feuda, villae and loca suburbana, but casal (casale) is the most frequent form found in medieval charters and documents. In the Latin East the casal was the basic unit of rural habitation, isolated farms (curtiles) being a comparatively uncommon type of settlement in this period. Sources relating to the Latin East record hundreds of casalia occupied by Franks, Eastern Christians and Muslim peasants and even one by Samaritans. The casalia varied considerably in size and in population; from small hamlets of a few isolated houses to large rural settlements that could almost be defined as towns were it not for their complete lack of urban institutions. A typical casal consisted of the manor house and church, the villeins’ dwellings, some communal installations such as mills, ovens, dovecots and threshing floors, crofts, common pasture and the village’s arable lands. The arable land of a casal was defined in units of plough land known as carruca. One or two carrucae was the usual size of a villein’s holding. Frankish settlers in a casal in the Latin East were freemen whereas the Western villein was generally of servile status. Zero^talk 02:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, that works too :) Boas is a great source for current archaeology of the crusader period. What's actually on the ground, as it were, in combination with the older sources of Prawer and Riley-Smith who were using medieval documents. Adam Bishop (talk) 13:51, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My, my talk page is active lately. Thanks, lads, this is truly a big help! Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 19 Tevet 5775 06:02, 10 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The archaeological material in Jericho needs some work. In particular the results of 5 or more seasons of excavation are missing. Also this site in particular attracts crackpots so one must be careful in selecting sources. There is a lot of good stuff posted at academia.edu by Lorenzo Nigro, who has been digging there since the 1990s. Zero^talk 05:50, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the late reply. I'll see what I can do, but I'm about to start doing some major research outside of Wikipedia on a whole other project unrelated to Levantine archaeology. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 27 Tevet 5775 23:09, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, Dan Bahat is long overdue for a page, so I started one. Please join in. As you can see I found his CV, but it is not good form to base everything on that so adding other sources would be good. Zero^talk 01:31, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly can't say no to a 'stache that nice! Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 19 Shevat 5775 01:37, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder what his birth name was. Not likely to be Bahat unless his parents had changed their name earlier. Zero^talk 02:13, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We could ask, but I've no idea how that would be sourced. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 20 Shevat 5775 20:27, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

During the mandate period, official changes of names (28,256 of them) were recorded in the Palestine Gazette, of which I have about 2/3 of issues. No Bahat there. Someone went to the trouble of compiling them into a book, see this record but I don't have it. Anyway the list is searchable in the English side of this engine. No Bahat there, which leaves (at least) two possibilities: the name was not done officially (apparently, about 50% of them), or the change came after 1948. The Hebrew side of the same engine has some of those post-1948 changes, including a hit for בהט that one can't read without being a paid member. Zero^talk 15:07, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please fix the edit I did in the early life of the Mischa_Barton article. Thank you. Venustar84 (talk) 02:30, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How's that? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 19 Shevat 5775 02:59, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shirley, you can't be Henry, Sir William! μηδείς (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, yes I am indeed Henry. The original name of my account here was hpelgrift before I outed myself. This is me [3] Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 20 Shevat 5775 20:29, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I can see why you have so many girls to send papyri in ancient Goa'uld to. A girl in every dig, eh? μηδείς (talk) 21:28, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's more a function of having amazing female archaeologist friends who are inexplicably single (or it can be explained by an abundance of ghastly exes), the criminal nature of their lacking valentines as a result of the former, and me being a really nice guy. Papyrus was also readily available at the British Museum and I brought some home. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 20 Shevat 5775 21:48, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking at the Ancient Egyptian language article. It does seem there is at least a voiced palatal stop /d^y/ for the "J" but I have no idea how to write it. μηδείς (talk) 21:57, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's the cobra-at-rest hieroglyph. Already sorted though. I tried out a combo based on current transliteration standards in the transliteration of Ancient Egyptian article, and similarities in Semitic languages, which I ran by my dig mum without telling her the name first and she said it was Jessica. All fixed and on its way. Appreciate it though. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 21 Shevat 5775 01:33, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Two questions then. Can you recommend a good book on the Natufian culture for someone with a background in comparative linguistics who's vary familiar with, say, Gimbutas and Christopher Ehret? And would you risk commenting by email if you like on the time-depth of the Natufians in regard to proto-Semitic and proto-Afro-Asiatic and the out-of-the-Levant or out-of-Africa theories of the latter language? Any sources you would recommend would be appreciated. μηδείς (talk) 01:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be much help here. My focus with regard to the Levant is mainly on the Bronze Age and later periods and even then my knowledge isn't what it used to be as I'm kind of a jack of all trades but master of none when it comes to history (I'm good with many historical periods of many cultures, but not a great expert). I'm also unfamiliar with those two authors and don't know anyone who specialises in this time period, nor am I familiar with the hypotheses regarding the evolution of Semitic and Afro-asiatic languages. My only exposure to the Natufians was in an undergrad course on the archaeology of Israel and then we didn't really cover it all that thoroughly. That said, I looked at my copy of Graeme Barker's [u]The Agricultural Revolution in Prehistory[/u] and he talks about this very subject and gives more than a few in-line citations that are worth looking into. [4] [5] Let me know which cites you would like and I will get them from the book's works cited section. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 21 Shevat 5775 05:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest ignoring the troll at the Science Desk. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:47, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my, I hadn't noticed he was trolling. I must be getting old.... Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 25 Shevat 5775 19:59, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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In the discussion page, You make childish suggestions what to do about me. Why ? An other user had asked me to have a look at Danish pastry talk-page. So I did, but the There was no possibility to wright anything there. By pressing some button I found a general discussion page, and put my thoughts there instead. Is that a reason to have me killed ? I may have written my comments at wrong place, but that's still no reason for You sir, to use the words at the talk-page , as You did. And if You actually are a Knight, You really should think twice before throwing such words at an other user. Especially since I didn't mention You, or anyone else. (I presume You are "Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie", if not, please forgive me) Boeing720 (talk) 19:17, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for upsetting you, Boeing720, as there appears to have been a big misunderstanding here over what was intended as an innocent ribbing joke. Small text as it's called is commonly used to show that a person is speaking in a non-serious manner on Wikipedia talk pages. The joke and the wikilinked essay seemed relevant to the topic.mI would never seriously propose any sort of violence against another user for a simple mistake and the mistake you made was at worst minor and really not a big deal (I make no less than twenty per day while editting Wikipedia). You also have to admit that actually baking another person into a pastry alla Sweeny Todd would be an incredibly revolting action in and of itself and so ludicrous that it's not something you'd do to anyone regardless of their crime. I am actually a 25 year-old American and my lack of British or Commonwealth citizenship makes me ineligible for knighthood regardless of what I do. The brilliant, but extremely arrogant, archaeologist I named my account after, Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie is long since deceased. Anyway, I hope you understand that it was not my intention to upset you. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 4 Adar 5775 20:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for Your reply. It's OK. You are also a lot younger than I antacipated. All the best Boeing720 (talk) 22:09, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Joseph Massad is best known for his outrageously anti-Semitic and bizarre viewpoints regarding Jews and Israel, such as claiming that Jews are somehow not related to our own ancestors, the Hebrews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.62.19.43 (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply] Well I certainly disagree with Massad's views on the matter of our ancestry, but please see WP:NPA and WP:BLP for why it's not okay to call people names or use a living person's name on here as an insult. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 5 Adar 5775 17:43, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't want distractions in a discussion then don't side trak yourself. Next time, I think, I could bring you up for being a nuisance. Claiming "But I did it to be good" won't help you. I add: I think you know very well what you do. -DePiep (talk) 00:06, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DePiep, I seriously have no idea what you are talking about and I'm not joking or trying to play dumb here, you've actually lost me. Could you kindly elaborate and like I said, assume good faith and be a bit more polite about it? There's really no need for you to unnecessarily threaten me when you keep making vague claims about me that don't make any sense. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 9 Adar 5775 00:12, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to this source three out of four madhabs, plus two Muslim legal scholars should make it mainstream. Don't you think? Scratched those bonduns (talk) 16:58, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate it if you self-revert unless you bring an argument or reference that disproves my source. Scratched those bonduns (talk) 17:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Scratched those bonduns, well I'm not entirely sure if that site qualifies as a reliable source or not. Would you be okay with me asking about it at the reliable sources noticeboard? They would be better judges of this. As for mainstream, I'm not objecting to that being the norm. I'm just objecting to the use of that specific term as I think it's a bit more subjective (it either falls under Peacock or Weasel, not sure) than we want it to be. I would try using most instead (which I probably should have done). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 10 Adar 5775 17:10, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

--slakr^\ talk / 18:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the link, Slakr. I had not read this yet and it's entirely possible I could have run afoul of it at some point otherwise (at which point, I didn't know would have been a poor excuse). I appreciate your taking the time to seek me out and deliver this notice. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 10 Adar 5775 18:44, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, do you happen to have access to the article of Ken Dark in the current edition of BAR? My library gets BAR on paper but it's always slow to appear on the shelves. By the Catch 22 principle, I'm not allowed to request the electronic article through the library because they subscribe. Zero^talk 04:35, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I most certainly do. Check your email. Does your library still have back issues including last year's ken with my handsome self in the cover by chance? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 16 Adar 5775 04:47, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What is being suggested is that nearly all of the Reference Desk editors agree to a moratorium on deleting and hatting without the concurrence or participation of one editor. You probably know who that editor is. Some of us have tried to engage her to clarify how to deal with questionable posts, and she has not engaged with us, and most recently it appears that she posted a lengthy video that most of us didn't view and didn't answer anything anyway. We aren't going to get consensus, so the question is whether to leave her to hang out as a problem, or whether we should try (possibly without hope) to get resolution with her, or whether to do something else with or without her. My own thought is that something needs to be done, with her or without her, but some editors think that we have to act by consensus. The alternative might be to impose local consensus by RFC. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:28, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well a lot of this seems like unnecessary drama to me, and I'm fairly certain medeis might watch this page, but if a person refuses to engage with you then, in my experience, you keep trying to a little beyond the point that seems reasonable (when the last person is done trying). Then you know you have exhausted that action. If, after that, ANI still doesn't work, then you ignore the person and learn to work around them or isolate them. All that comes from focusing on the things in life that can't be fixed is to cause yourself unnecessary grief. This how I'd work in a situation where there's no rush, and here, there's no rush. Were this a situation where we are on the clock (such as a dig), the person would be told kindly the first two times and then sternly the third time. If they continued after that, they would either be isolated or ignored, or thrown out all-together and banned (or just thrown out and banned if you're dealing with someone violent). Again though, this is a situation where things can be done in time. The ref desk isn't going anywhere.

As for the moratorium itself, I think it's a good idea not to let any troll feel successful (except for the really good ones, which we have not seen here at all—I mean talk about amateurs) and as I said, all three of these things let them feel like they've struck a nerve or won (in the case of protection). Nothing annoys a troll worse than a person that they can't troll. (Trust me, I once enraged all of 888chan when they were attacking eRepublik and they couldn't touch me) Making it basically unacceptable behaviour should shame anyone out of doing it and quickly make them want to shape up or otherwise feel left out and hated. It's cruel, but that's how it's been done since the time that faith-based morality became a thing. If you can't get a consensus on the desk though, an RFC might be in order, but I'd say cross that bridge when you come to it. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 16 Adar 5775 23:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to thank you for giving me that info about Portugal. Mcleod Allen Mueller Hill, aka Ohyeahstormtroopers6, Imperator Universi 03:22, 9 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohyeahstormtroopers6 (talk • contribs)

No worries, sorry I couldn't be of more help. Also, that is an awesome signature! Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 18 Adar 5775 03:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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... for recognizing my evil handiwork. I really appreciated the laugh. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:39, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, no worries. I'm trying to make kitten threats a thing. I think they're a pleasant alternative to legal threats. Don't you? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 19 Adar 5775 16:16, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you be more specific? The subdivisions of London itself are suppose to go in the "parts" field. Since London has two different kind of subdivisions (ceremonial counties and districts), I re-purposed the "seat" field also, as it displays within the same section and it isn't being used. Rob984 (talk) 00:10, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! Sorry about not being more specific. If you check the edit again, it seems that that edit made those fields invisible, actually... That is unless I'm missing something. I don't see them anymore and I thought I checked the whole infobox, but maybe I'm wrong. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 20 Adar 5775 00:18, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They're between "Settled by Romans" and "Government". Maybe you missed them? Rob984 (talk) 00:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so I did. Sorry about that. I've self-reverted, Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 20 Adar 5775 00:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Thanks, Rob984 (talk) 01:09, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 20 Adar 5775 03:21, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

From a serious person, who does not enjoy being insulted. Thank you for enriching this community!Lucentcalendar (talk) 17:24, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lucentcalendar, thank you, I guess. Is this about anything in particular? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 22 Adar 5775 18:24, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. I've been impersonated many times by "fans" over the years. Actually, this is one of the more clever ones. Generally they just reiterate my user ID and misspell it or add characters to it. Standard procedure is to indef the faker. SPI's typically don't turn up anything useful, so I stopped asking a long time ago. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:23, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's too bad, I'm afraid the person responsible will have to live with the shame of failure then and that's that. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 22 Adar 5775 21:32, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And the ID was indeed indef'd. I figure these guys are shameless. These things happen. You just got to ro-o-oll with the punches, and get to what's real. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ — Preceding undated comment added 21:44, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's more like I don't like poorly executed trolling. Trolling is an art form and the best trolls are a work of art. When someone attempts to troll poorly in anger it's just really sad. Of course, a good way to troll a troll is to troll poorly on purpose as it will make any good troll quite mad and cause a group of trolls to rage. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 22 Adar 5775 21:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's an interesting take on it. Wikipedia has essays on lots of different things. Maybe there needs to be a "Trolling 101" for the apprentice trolls. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:04, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The art-form bit? Like I said in that whole ref desk discussion, I used tor troll quite a bit way back when. Got to be pretty good at it, though I never engaged in any of the heavy stuff like doxing, hacking, DDoS, or anything like that. Teaches you a lot about human psychology, helps you stay calm and cool (notice how rarely I respond to ad hominem remarks), and it also helps you to get a good idea of what annoys people so you can avoid doing so in real life. It's very fun while you're at it, but you do grow out of it eventually.

www.encyclopediadramatica.se/Troll is a good place to start, Baseball Bugs, (warning:NSFW, have a script-blocker on, and turn on your pop-up blocker), and from there a body can study individual cases or look at how people write about various groups (the article on Jews is always popular). That's what I was discussing with Mandruss yesterday about getting some background knowledge as a lot of people were showing a poor understanding of trolling. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 22 Adar 5775 22:33, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That website might prove to be too much information for my feeble brain to handle. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, most of the people that write on there are pretty casual and some of the dumber trolls. The smart ones let others do their recording for them. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 22 Adar 5775 23:04, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You do know that troll is probably out there snickering in the background as we speak. And I have to gracefully agree with BB about the feeble brain comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.127.16.119 (talk) 22:48, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, I'm cool with that. I like making people laugh. Anyway, sup mate? You know, if that fellow really wanted to troll Wikipedia, he'd stop with the small-time and try doing something big like becoming an admin. You know, make an account, do a ton of legit edits, make friends, gain peoples' trust, and then get adminship. Afterwards, carefully ban here and there, game the system within reason, and then when he finally gets bored, ban a lot of other admins, delete pages, etc. until he's banned himself. Leave a trail of rage and probably even get a page somewhere here, a sort of permanent memorial. That would be real trolling. Just sayin'. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 22 Adar 5775 23:04, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, I didn't know we had guard kittens. :) Trivialist (talk) 02:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The common name for Chaldeans and Assyrians is Near East Christians, not Assyrian. In Iraqi government, Chaldeans and Assyrians are both recognized individually. In recent years, there has been an attempt to highjack the Chaldean population to concentrate Assyrian political power. The solution, I believe is to recognize the groups separately instead of trying to lump them together, especially under the Assyrian name. In fact, Assyrians are much less in number than Chaldeans. Chaldeans have held a majority over Assyrians in most towns and villages. Assyrians are often referred to as Kurdish Christians whereas Chaldeans are known specifically by this name. If you would like more information on the issue, I have set up my talk page to display some sources along with their important information. Please do not continue to encourage the blanking of the Chaldean people from Wikipedia. --Lawrencegoriel (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. I noticed that your username, "Flinders Petrie", may not meet Wikipedia's username policy because In particular, it violates the "Misleading usernames" section of the policy, by masquerading as a notable person. (That the person happens to be deceased will only be known to editors/readers familiar with that person's history). This is not a case of you coincidentally having the same name. You have modified your talk page signature to directly impersonate and misrepresent yourself as Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, including his title.[6] Passing off as a member of the British Peerage in this manner is actually illegal in most Commonwealth countries. Furthermore, you can be observed to regularly edit and post to the talk pages of archaeology, anthropology, and Middle Eastern topics, making it highly likely that any number of people only vaguely familiar with the name but recognizing it from Egyptian archaeology (a frequent TV topic on the History Channel, etc.), will believe that you are in fact that notable subject-matter expert posting here, and this is the sort of result that WP:Username policy#Misleading usernames exists specifically to prevent. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. As an alternative, you may ask for a change of username, or you may simply create a new account for editing. Thank you.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  12:40, 26 March 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Thank you for your help.

   Tokyogirl79, here is a revision of the Joe Stevens (photographer) entry. I tried to resolve the issues you raised. I would appreciate your suggestions for improvement. 

Joe Stevens (photographer)

Joe Stevens is a rock photographer who photographed David Bowie 12 to 15 times in his career[1]. Several of his photographs are included in Paolo Hewitt's 2013 book on Bowie, "Album by Album."

Career

Stevens sees himself as a chronicler of history[2]. He is a contemporary of rock photographers Jim Marshall (1936-2010)and Bob Gruen (1945- ). He lives near Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

Accolades

"Stevens isn't a rock & roll photographer. He is rock & roll" (Adam Coughlin, "Pictures: A look at the images, not just the rockers," The Hippo, Nov. 3, 2011)

"Hot Shots: Joe Stevens reflects on his time photographing David Bowie," Christopher Hislop, Seacoast Sunday, Jan. 20, 2013 "Pictures: A look at the images, not just the rockers," Adam Coughlin, The (Manchester, NH) Hippo, Nov. 3, 2011

Thank you. D2 03:30, 30 March 2015 (UTC) Folkrelic

D2 00:21, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

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TITOLI UNIVERSITARI E RICONOSCIMENTO DEI PERIODI DI STUDIO IN EUROPA Sono conferiti dalla nostra Università in virtù del diritto di libertà della scienza (art.20) e libertà economica (art.27) garantiti dalla Costituzione Federale Svizzera. Essi sono conformi alle Direttive della Conferenza universitaria svizzera per il rinnovamento coordinato dell'insegnamento nelle università svizzere nell'ambito del processo di Bologna (Direttive di Bologna) del 4 dicembre 2003. Su richiesta vengono autenticati da notaio e muniti di "Apostille" dalla Cancelleria dello Stato ai sensi della Convenzione dell'Aja del 5 ottobre 1961. Convenzione Aja Uso e riconoscimento dei titoli, dei periodi di studio e dei crediti per il proseguimento degli studi in Europa (cosiddetto riconoscimento finalizzato) I titoli conferiti sono validi ai fini del riconoscimento, secondo la Convenzione di Lisbona del 1997 del Consiglio d'Europa ratificata dalla Svizzera il 1 febbraio 1999 e dall'Italia con la legge n.148 del 11 luglio 2002. Per eventuale riconoscimento professionale si applica la direttiva 2005/36/CE Convenzione Lisbona Direttiva 2005/36/CE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.17.166.12 (talk) 10:21, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a comment of yours that I might be able to help clear up. Bfpage (me) is a grandmother from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. I own an art gallery and turned 57 today. The other editor referenced in the talk page archive is an Australian man according to his user page. Best Regards,   Bfpage |leave a message  18:48, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

if you have time to look in. No expectation of you taking any side, just looking for your usual balanced perspective. [7]. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 04:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wednesday June 10, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our next evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. This month will also feature on our agenda: recent and upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections. We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities. After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery! Wednesday June 10 WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 16:14, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Wednesday July 8, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. This month will also feature on a review of past and upcoming editathons, including Black Lunch Table Editathon @ MoMA on July 13. We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities. After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery! Wednesday July 8 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 05:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Sunday August 2, 1-7pm: WikNYC Picnic

You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Brooklyn's Prospect Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck. Sunday August 2 WikNYC Picnic (RSVP) (also on meetup.com) 1pm–7pm - come by any time! @ Bartel-Pritchard Square entrance (Prospect Park West and 15th St), immediately on the lawn to your left as you walk through the lovely lotus columns. Subway: ​ to 15th Street – Prospect Park (IND Culver Line) We hope to see you there! --Pharos (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)[reply] (Bonus event: WikiWednesday Salon @ Babycastles - Wednedsay, August 19)

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Wednesday August 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities. After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery! Wednesday August 19 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 15:58, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Wednesday September 16, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. This month, we will also host a Newcomer's Wiki Workshop for those getting started on the encyclopedia project! We hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery! Wednesday September 16 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 15:11, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply] Bonus events, RSVP now for our latest upcoming editathons: September 20 - Afrocrowd Wikipedia editathon @ Queens Library October 3 - WikiArte Latin America editathon @ MoMA October 15 - Women in Architecture editathon @ Guggenheim

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