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PLease use Croatia-geo-stub and please read Wikipedia:Categorisation. Thanks Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I gather you mean this church? You'll have to contact that flickr user and request him to change the license to Creatuve COmmons Attribution to use on wikipedia, Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can search for images under Flickr or Flickr. It appears to be a smallish village church so is unlikely to have any free images just yet. Are you Croatian? If so let me know what your interests are and I will try to transwiki some articles from Croatian wikipedia for you to translate into english? It would be good for you to practice your english if you want to improve. If you could expand some of the castle articles I started that would be good. If you know of any articles that need expansion by translation from croatian wiki please add a {{Expand Croatian}} tag. Regards. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi.

Instead of we engage in an childish edit war we can discuss the matter on Talk:Operation Storm. Regards --Nirvana77 (talk) 07:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kebeta, I will have a look at the article. Happy edits. --Chapultepec (talk) 19:18, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed your Croatia-related articles - good job! Would you be interested in joining the WikiProject Croatia? GregorB (talk) 14:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I've already decided... :) Joking aside - everyone who has an interest in contributing to Croatia-related articles is welcome to the project. You certainly qualify, so all you need to do is add your name here. GregorB (talk) 16:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good question... Sometimes it's not easy. WP Croatia does not have an official recommendation on how to assess importance. Generally, more than 90% of the articles will fall into either Low or Mid. Low is reserved for relatively obscure (from the perspective of general public) and/or unimportant subjects (villages, municipalities, lesser-known sportspeople and the like). If in doubt, you can either take a look at an article of comparable import and copy the importance assessment from there, or leave the importance parameter empty for the time being (I do it quite often) - it is not mandatory. Also, one way do to it (especially with high and top importance) is to ask for an assessment at the WP Croatia talk page. GregorB (talk) 17:54, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by "check again". I fixed some spelling and Manual of Style issues in your recent edit if that's what you meant. —Admiral Norton ^(talk) 20:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW you don't have to apologize to me, we both have equal rights to edit articles and if you need anything from me, feel free to ask :-) —Admiral Norton ^(talk) 20:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know that much about the Šubićs, but while reading this new article of yours, I found this: "Juraj I Šubić was brother of Pavao I Šubić Bribirski [...]. In Dalmatia, he appointed his brothers as commissars of Dalmatian cities. He gave [...] Šibenik, Nin, Trogir and Omiš to his brother Juraj I Šubić." Did Juraj I have a brother of the same name or is this some sort of a mistake? —Admiral Norton ^(talk) 19:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation, I understand now. Whne you wrote "In Dalmatia, he appointed his brothers...", I wasn't sure if you meant Pavao or Juraj. I've changed the sentence to reflect your explanation. —Admiral Norton ^(talk) 18:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Kebeta! The weasel word I was referring to is noble. He is already described as Duke and Prince, so Croatian noble Prince would mean that he is a Croatian prince who showed qualities of high moral character, because the words "Duke" and "Prince" already describe him as a nobleman. Surtsicna (talk) 20:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted "Croatian" from the "Croatian Duchess of Split" because it is redundant and unnecessary. Calling her "Croatian Duchess of Split" is like calling Margaret of Anjou "English Queen of England". The reason why I removed "Croatian" from "Croatian noble family" is because I am not sure what you meant by that. John Van Antwerp Fine mentions the Hrvatinići as one of three Bosnian noble families and doesn't mention them as Croatian anything. Surtsicna (talk) 21:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the words "from powerful Croatian noble family" from the sentence: Jelena was the sister of Prince Ivan III Nelipac from powerful Croatian noble family. because those words were not included in the reference I placed at the end of the following sentence. We cannot put words into people's mouth, and putting "from powerful Croatian noble family" into sentences sourced by the works of Van Antwerp Fine is precisely that because he doesn't say anything about the ethnicity, power or noble heritage of the Nelipac family. Is there anything else I should explain? Surtsicna (talk) 22:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can guess whatever you want. I've already explained that the weasel word is the word "noble", because in that sentence it could have only been an adjective describing a person who showed qualities of high moral character. I have also explained why I removed the word Croatian. If you do not have any other relevant questions, other than trying to prove a conspiracy theory against the Croats or whatever, I'd like to work on real issues of this project. Thank you and good luck! Surtsicna (talk) 22:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hvala lijepa, da si nazad postavio u članku Hrvatska, jer je urednik, tko je izuzeo, ne primi, da Hrvatska je bila napola samostalna država u Mađarskoj. Doncsecz^znánje 13:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. As far as I can tell, you've done it right and there's actually nothing to fix. It is a good thing that you provided a description for the category; at first instant I wanted to add Category:Middle Ages by country as a parent category, but given the description it would not be correct. However, I see a possible problem: this definition makes the category span something like 10 centuries of Croatian history, which may prove too broad for a single category. GregorB (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it could either be split into subcategories, or its definition could be narrowed down to correspond to Kingdom of Croatia (medieval). GregorB (talk) 19:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Funny, I must have seen this template dozens of times but I did not notice the duplication. Yeah, the "Medieval Croatian state" should be deleted. GregorB (talk) 20:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In fact I must correct myself: "Medieval Croatian state" describes both the Kingdom of Croatia (925-1102) and the pre-Tomislav state (c. 7th century-925). So, in that sense it is a duplication (and not a good title anyway). However, the 7th-9th century history is not apparently covered by any one article, which is peculiar. It looks that it is due to a badly done merge. I'll take a look, tomorrow perhaps... GregorB (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Finally I've taken a look at the old Medieval Croatian state article as it was before the merge. I could not find a fault with the merge technically speaking, but the article which is titled Kingdom of Croatia (medieval) now covers in some detail events before 925. It seems to me that either the article should be renamed, or it should be split into two articles: 7th century-925 and 925-1102 (i.e. pre-kingdom and kingdom). Oh well: either someone should propose a split, possibly with the involvement of WP Croatia, or we could wait for things to settle eventually. GregorB (talk) 17:18, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:3RR in case you haven't heard about the rule. Squash Racket (talk) 17:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article on Czech Republic – Iceland relations is up for deletion, do you have time to see if you can add any new references? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I've just assessed it as start class, as it doesn't meet two criterions. To be a B-class, it needs inline citations to all major points in the article (at least one per paragraph) and a define lead (not only one sentence as currently). However, good work! Best regards, --Eurocopter (talk) 20:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, thanks! GregorB (talk) 20:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there,

Sorry, but I've had to remove the image File:Skjcroat.png from Template:SKH CC Chairman.

"Fair use" images can only be used on articles, not in userspace, due to copyright issues. Sorry about that. See WP:NFCC#9 for more info.

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  03:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Good job on starting the section about Croatia on the Mongol Invasion of Europe page. I went ahead and cleaned up some grammar; just minor edits. peace Nathraq (talk) 18:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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For copyediting, I'd recommend filing a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors; they have a bit of a backlog, though. (Copyediting is a somewhat scarce resource here on Wikipedia - or at least that's my impression.) I've fixed a thing or two myself in the article and will take a closer look later and perhaps leave some comments in the talk page. That's nice work, BTW... GregorB (talk) 20:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I saw your message about the duplicate castle articles and went ahead and merged them. Thanks for spotting the problem. You did the right thing by tagging it. In the future, you can always just replace the newer of the two with a 'REDIRECT' and then request an "article history merge" if necessary. Someone can always look back at the revision history if he/she wants to see what was there before the redirect. Thanks again. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great to see you've settled in well!! I noticed you've done some excellent work on forts and castles in the Balkans. Keep up the good work. Are you interested in extending your work to maybe Austrian castles, they need a lot of work!!! Himalayan 15:16, 29 August 2009 (UTC) (formerly Dr. Blofeld)[reply]

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Could you please help us to solve this "Triune Kingdom" article on Talk:Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia. You're more familiar with this topic. Regards. --Dvatel (talk) 19:58, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Kebeta, when someone says "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia", it can mean two things:

• 1) 99% of sources that use the term "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia" use it as another name for the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia.
• 2) Sometimes, very rarely, the term "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia" refers to the territorial aspirations of the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia towards the Kingdom of Dalmatia.

You can write all about the territorial aspirations of the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia in the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia article. They do not warrant a seperate article.

Also, you first claimed in bold script that the Triune Kingdom "was an entity that comprised two administrative divisions within Austro-Hungarian Empire, the kingdoms of Croatia-Slavonia and Dalmatia". When that was shown to be false, you said that "I am not saying this or that" and that the article should be on a territorial aspiration of the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia :P. That whole explanation sounds like a contrived excuse to avoid redirecting the article. It sounds like you "just don't agree with the merge proposal" because you've been under the wrong impression that this state existed and want to perpetuate that myth. The two sentences about the territorial aspirations of Croatia-Hungary (and the Kingdom of Hungary itself) on Dalmatia can be easily included in the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia article. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 13:24, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've responded to your post on Talk:Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 19:10, 18 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've responded to your post on Talk:Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 14:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry there :), I posted the notice in advance. I didn't think you'd be so quick. The response is there now. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 14:45, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kebeta, seriously, lets end this please? The country is a myth, it never existed - you yourself admitted that. The term is effectively only an alternative name for the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia. It was used at various times by various elements of the vast Austro-Hungarian bureaucracy that supported a union between Croatia-Slavonia and Dalmatia in that particular period, at times, this also included the Croatian-Slavonian administration as well. Do not fall prey to a historical myth created by this confusing situation.

I've just fully explained the whole situation concerning the term in two sentences. Two. If we were to create an article about such an insignificant subject, it would be deleted by Wikipedia anyway as it meets the criteria for speedy deletion (WP:CSD).

Can we please end the dispute? --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 15:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You've written a lot of points about the complex politics of the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia, and you've really managed to streeetch the subject far beyond its borders. I recommend you create a "Politics" or "Claim on Dalmatia" section in the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia or Croatia in the Habsburg Empire articles.

Please try to understand: what you have here is an article called "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia", and you want it to be on something other than an actual "Kingdom" or even contry? That's not how articles are named. If you feel all this warrants a "special" article, then I can guarantee you that Wikipedia requires a different name than "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia". "Politics of Croatia-Slavonia" is a good example of a proper title.

Again, I can guarantee that this kind of articles are not created. And I will demonstrate. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 19:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kebeta, you are obviously confused by prior usage of the term "Triune Kingdom". It has always been an alternative name for Croatian kingdoms:

• Kingdom of Croatia (medieval) was alternatively called "Triune Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia, and Slavonia".
• Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) was alternatively called "Triune Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia, and Slavonia". In later years (19th century), it also used "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia", but very rarely (mostly during Jelačić's reign).
• Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia used ONLY the term "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia", as legislative prohibitions forbade it to place "Dalmatia" up first per the medieval mode.

These are ALL alternative names. They have been used by Croats more than others, and now you're determined to stop the duplicate article from being merged or redirected. That's just plain POV-pushing.

All your "sources" only show that the name "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia" was used as an alternative name for the Croatian kingdoms. They do not show the "Triune Kingdom" as a seperate entity. Anyone can see that they are not sources against deletion, I guarantee you that. Your sources actually prove my point. :P You really can stop listing them and referring to them as "proof" of anything other than alternative name usage.

Anyway, would a disambiguation page linking to Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) and Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia be acceptable? Shall we end this? --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 19:04, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It joined the efforts of the National Council of the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. Some historians even call the State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs - the State of the National Council of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs (but this is a diff matter). Now when did the Parliament of the Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Dalmatia and Slavonia dissolve? It was "forced to close" by virtue of not having elections for it after December 1st, 1918.; even the Belgrade Cincars hadn't drafted a piece of paper to abolish the Parliament of the Kingdom of Croatia, Dalmatia and Slavonia.

To conclude the Kingdom of Croatia, Dalmatia and Slavonia (sometimes called the Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia, which was not the preferred name) was never abolished, since its Parliament never agreed on the creation of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (in the first period called Kraljevstvo Srba, Hrvata i Slovenaca). Imbris (talk) 23:48, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Imbris, once again you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. The name "Kingdom of Croatia (1st), Dalmatia (2nd) and Slavonia (3rd)" was NEVER used. Never. The two names you're looking for are:

• "Triune Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia, and Slavonia" - used as an alternative name for the Kingdom of Croatia (medieval) and for the Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) up to the 19th century
• "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia" - used as an alternative name for the Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) in the 19th century (up to 1868), and for the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia (1868-1918). Croatian officials actually wanted to use "Triune Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia, and Slavonia" (the name which Imbris never heard of) in the 19th century as well, but were prevented.

You both seem completely unable to understand why this article is being merged. Nobody is "abolishing the Croatian kingdom" this is just a redirect to a more frequently used name for the Croatian kingdom!! As I keep repeating for DAYS: unless you can prove that the "Triune Kingdom of Croatia, Slavonia, and Dalmatia" was a different state than the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia - this page is going to be redirected regardless of your votes to the contrary. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 07:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously not, since those were entities (even illegal entities, or what have you, but political reality for better or worse). The article we were discussing is merely the alternative name and counterfactual claim of an entity which existed throughout, and which we already cover on wikipedia. Dahn (talk) 12:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If one is "semi-legal" (it's not even that, if you ask me) and the other is legitimate, and you agree that both terms cover the same subject, then you are pushing a content fork (in effect, a POV fork). That is the matter the AfD addresses. The solution is to merge under the non-POV title, as was proposed from the beginning. Your point for objecting that merge is therefore void. Dahn (talk) 14:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I frankly don't know much about that case, so I can't really follow your analogy. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Either way, "I saw some other guys doing it" is not a mature argument to preserve content forks. Dahn (talk) 15:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote to Kebeta and not to Dahn or Mr. DIREKTOR. And DIREKTOR is deeply mislead if he believes that Slavonia was used as a name in ancient times of the Croatian kingdom. The term Kingdom of Croatia, Dalmatia and Slavonia is supported by by the majority of documents from that time. Not the Kingdom of Dalmatia, Croatia and Slavonia which is a construct (virtually made-up) by Mr. DIREKTOR. The kingdom was called in the most earliest times the Kingdom of Dalmatia and Croatia (or the Kingdom of Croatia and Dalmatia), both were frequent. Not what Mr. DIREKTOR wrote. -- Imbris (talk) 20:52, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you promise to read my post carefully and reply fully? I don't like wasting my energy on detailed explanations only to have them ignored, as had been my experience with you so far...

Ok, first off, we need to clarify the situation with Croatian and "Croatian or Serbian". The language used in the Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia and in the Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) was referred to by Austro-Hungarian officials as "Croatian or Serbian". There were both Serbs and Croats in Austria-Hungary and nobody officially distinguished between the two languages. That has been established. Again, modern Croatian revisionist perceptions are not something Wikipedia will likely concern itself with in history articles.

One more point, this is crucial so please read carefully:
During the Austro-Hungarian period, the language we know today as Croatian was officially referred to as "Croatian or Serbian". Ok?
So the language was early standardized Croatian, but it was called "Croatian or Serbian" in official capacity. This was so for a great many reasons, from the Illyrian movement to Austrian bureaucratic requirements.

Now, I will address other languages in the three states we are talking about: Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) (1527-1868), Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia (1868-1918), and the Kingdom of Dalmatia (1814-1918).

• The Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) (1527-1868), aside from "Croatian or Serbian", used Latin and German (and maybe Hungarian at times).
• The Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia (1868-1918), aside from "Croatian or Serbian", used Hungarian.
• The Kingdom of Dalmatia (1814-1918) used "Croatian or Serbian", German, and Italian.

So these are the languages that are to be mentioned in the infoboxes. Finally, a note on User:Imbris: that account is extremely disruptive and discussions with him/her are fruitless and a frankly stupid undertaking. His entire interest on Wikipedia is edit-warring and disputes. I will not be caught wasting my time talking to a user that is here on a nationalist political agenda and cannot, by definition, yield on any argument. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 13:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If I didn't think it worthwhile I wouldn't respond. I'm sorry but your responses so far gave me the impression that you were not reading my responses, and I wrote dozens of them. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 18:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd really like to receive a proper response to my (lengthy) post above. I really am doing my best to properly discuss the issues at hand. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 20:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The Nikola Tesla article should not have any extra mention of Croatia. Don't put the passport image in, and don't change his birthplace. The article has reached its current position through a hard process of balancing radically differing views, and any disturbance of the balance will be reverted. Binksternet (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He wrote that he was born in the Austro-Hungarian Military Frontier. That existed on the planet Earth at the time he was born. There was then no such place as the "Croatian Military Frontier." Countries which exist in the 21st century cannot be somehow made to exist in the mid-19th century. Provide reliable sources or give up your POV nationalistic and jingoistic efforts. Edison (talk) 04:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I struck out my own overly strong language, for which I also apologize. I have read Tesla stating he was from the Austro-Hungarian military frontier, but have not seen reference by him as to the Croatian military frontier. I did not know that that term was used in the mid 1850's and thank you for correcting me. The Tesla article has been the locus of a long lasting and frustrating battle over what to call his nationality, largely based on governments and political boundaries that were not in place in his time, so those who watch the article generally do not look with favor on Serbian vs Croatian edit warring, and strive to keep a stable version of the article, with changes only when there is consensus on the article's talk page. Edison (talk) 21:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since you're the expert on castles, you might want to take a look at Dubovac. The article is purportedly on a village, but actually discusses the castle only, and needs a cleanup. (And a rename at that.) The Croatian Post link is a decent source. GregorB (talk) 11:36, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Check here, in all sources where I looked for it (in "Hrvatska enciklopedija" by LZMK and "Opća i nacionalna enciklopedija", and HEP web pages about Peruća Dam) there is mention only of form Peruća. So I conclude authors of "Hrvatski leksikon" weren't here too careful. Some people pronounce č and ć the same, maybe that is the root of mistake... SpeedyGonsales (talk) 21:21, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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You didn't work on that page per say, but the Uskoci one. I thought you would be interested. Jesuislafete (talk) 21:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure that would be the best solution as it carries certain political connotations with it. Instead I propose we create a map similar to File:Alps location map.png. PRODUCER (talk) 13:25, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think so. It's best to ask the author of the map I mentioned. PRODUCER (talk) 18:25, 10 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Coming in to revert like that isn't unusual. It's actually a fairly common strategy (usually more often from IPs rather than users) and particularly annoying, but I've asked him about it. If he doesn't stop and start some serious discussion (mere statements that he is right aren't what I mean), I think I will start with a topic ban on those articles rather than actual blocking, and see if that helps. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:51, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kebeta, be patient. Don't lose your temper. Admins are now more touchy than before.
Stay civil, post an argument on the talkpage and wait. Kubura (talk) 23:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just patience, Kebeta. All we need is patience.
We are trying to reach an agreement. And we'll persist in that. That's our attitude.
Why shall we lose our good reputation? Because of those who don't have (good) reputation, but have influence or because we're somewhere outnumbered (by those who don't care for arguments, but represent "the voting body")?
Sooner or later someone'll read our arguments. That "someone" can be currently uninvolved or currently involved (they'll open their eyes).
I've seen the cases where the argumentation laster for 2 years, just because the other wikipedians (including the admins involved) were driven/mislead by stereotypes (or they never read some other source). Until someone said "The emperor is naked!". Kubura (talk) 02:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Passed. Congrats! May there be many more! Apologies for the delay. The image is fine, its copyright has expired in the United States. -- Jack1755 (talk) 22:40, 6 December 2009 (UTC) Your welcome. -- Jack1755 (talk) 23:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations, great work, I'm really glad I've been able to help! GregorB (talk) 08:07, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome to the wikiproject - here's the bulletin - if you don't like it just delete it from your talk page, otherwise, it automatically updates. Please give me or one of the other project members a shout if you need any help. Kind regards

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Announcements - please add your Project announcements   v t e The Tower House, promoted to Featured article on 7 April 2015 St. Joseph's Church, Semarang, promoted to Good article on 29 June 2014 Sri Temasek, promoted to Good article on 19 June 2014 Yue Hwa Building, promoted to Good article on 19 June 2014 Corpus Christi College, Oxford, promoted to Featured picture on 19 June 2014 Sofia kyrka, promoted to Featured picture on 23 February 2014 William Burges promoted to Featured article on 21 June 2012
Articles at Peer Review - edit list Machu Picchu Manor House, Sleaford Endeavour House Taliesin (studio)
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