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1. 11 April 2012
2. 21 December 2012
3. 7 June 2013
4. 30 November 2016

(Charles R. Knight, 1922)

Thank you for all you did for this project in 2016, Kiyoweap. May your house be safe, and may you and those having the privilege of your company enjoy good health in a Happy New Year 2017! Kind regards, — Sam Sailor 02:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply] Pass on! Send this greeting by adding {{subst:User:Sam Sailor/Templates/HappyNewYear}} to user talk pages. Automatic level-2 heading and auto-signing included.

Much thanks for looking into Megalia. The editing looked as though someone's manliness feelings had been hurt.
My wife and I just discovered Daiso, Tokyo Central & Main, and Marukai. They are a short distance from us in San Diego. We have seen and own most of Miyazaki's works on DVD. My wife likes Totoros. She just saw a solar-powered dancing Totoro, so I need to find and buy her one! Thanks again for everything! Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 10:23, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jim1138. I didn't have an inkling about Megalia, but after digging, I'm finding there aspects to this story pretty intriguing.

None of these stores like Marukai on the West Coast are near me. But there's a secondhand bookstore Book-Off, which also sells DVDs, games, and even has a small offering of toy figures and anime paraphenelia as well at a discount. There's seems to be a branch in San Diego. Now that I recall, the local Kinokuniya bookstore used to hang cels from Princess Mononoke, and they used to be for sale, but they made them not for sale later on.

I don't really collect anime goods, but here's a website I found that interviews an ultimate Totoro collector, and shows off his collection.[1]--Kiyoweap (talk) 07:52, 28 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kiyoweap. Thanks for the website. My wife enjoyed it very much! That collector is very dedicated, I'm very impressed! I think all we have of Miyazaki are most of hist DVDs and a Totoro. Our "collection" consists of feeding a swarm of hummingbirds. Last year, we used about 500 kg of sugar. That, depending on how much they manage calories, would feed about 1500-2500 hummingbirds full time. Just before nightfall, they "tank up" and I can see about 100 birds at once. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 08:22, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Megalia was down for awhile and someone changed "is" to "was". It's back again. A bit of an EW over content. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 08:23, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was just heading over here to basically express the exact same sentiment as Jim, so I'll hijack this thread rather than open a whole new one. Appreciate you pitching in and helping to reshape the article into something more encylopedia-worthy; good work. Yunshui ^雲_水 12:30, 30 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just curious... Does Google translate convert Korean to Japanese than to English? I find reading machine translated Korean to English really challenging to say the least. Best Jim1138 (talk) 23:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In many cases, a piece of Korean text that turns into garbled nonsense when you convert to English will turn into an intelligible translation when you google translate it into Japanese.

So, one technique you might employ is to first translate the text into Japanese (even if you dont understand it), then machine translate that into English, and you might get a "second opinion" that makes better sense. --Kiyoweap (talk) 23:28, 31 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try it. Thanks! Jim1138 (talk) 06:53, 1 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm Boleyn. Kiyoweap, thanks for creating Otohime!

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Hi Boleyn. It seems you have this impression I created an unsourced stub article out of vacuum.

However, I didn't so much create Otohime as correct the misconception that Otohime was identical to Toyotama-hime.

As I wrote in the edit summary, I feel Otohime doesn't merit an independent article of it's own. And just like a Japanese Wikipedia (jp:乙姫) it should probably be just a dab article (currently created as Otohime (disambiguation)).

However, this replacement would involve eliminating the "References in popular culture" section. And I am disinclined to engage in wholesale purging of trivia lists that other editors compiled. What would you suggest?--Kiyoweap (talk) 12:51, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Kiyoweap. I think with this many fictional characters apparently named after her, she may well be notable. I'll clean it up. Boleyn (talk) 18:25, 21 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for creating Coroebus (disambiguation), Kiyoweap!

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I wanted to link to Coroebus of Argos but Coroebus was a stub article for three personages. I renamed this to Coroebus (disambiguation) at first, but reconsidered.

So now Coroebus is the "main" guy, Coroebus (Argos) is split off into separtae article (with version number and date noted in edit summary to "maintain continuation of revision history") and a Coroebus (disambiguation) as standard dab page. --Kiyoweap (talk) 16:00, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Giving you one more heads up about this. Jytdog (talk) 16:05, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please cut the bullcrap Jytdog. The edits you performed on Tatzelwurm were inept because you did not properly consult and digest what was written in the multiple sources which were in German. You did a bungled job because you did not take time to do side-research on the local geography of Switzerland, Austria, and Germany, and the fact that local dialects were involved which were not standard German.

If your hubris has been wounded by the fact I pointed this out, it is not proper behavior to accuse the opponent you are edit-warring with with frivolous charges of being "credulous" about the tatzelwurm being real.

As I pointed out in Talk:Tatzelwurm#Cryptozoologists, the article contained far-fetched descriptions of "dragons" described as "cat-headed serpents" whose description were obviously far-fetched. It is so blatantly obviously far-fetched unless you are a two-and-a-half year old or still living in the dark ages, that I did not find it necessary to parse the entire article with constant disclaimers that these are just alleged reports, not actual organisms known to exist. --Kiyoweap (talk) 02:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, delayed reaction. You would do well to mind the DS described above. Jytdog (talk) 02:21, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jytdog engaged in a frivolous accusations that someone advocates pseudoscience re Tatzelwurm (in March). He later repeated this accusation reacting Mokele-mbembe without participating in that article (in July). This is really not responsible mature adult behavior.

People who do this sort of thing should be subjected to sanctions as well, just as athletes receive yellow cards in soccer for faking injuries.--Kiyoweap (talk) 03:44, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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There may still be time for you to respond at the complaint and agree to stop and wait for consensus. At first glance, your edits appear to go against our WP:PSCI policy and they may lead to admin action. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:41, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@EdJohnston: Thanks for the heads up. Yes, I guess I shouldn't let this be an absentee trial situation while I was busy trying to tend to the Tatzelwurm article itself.

I put it an pretty stern rebuttal that Jytdog is his editing without reading up or checking even the inline sources I give as a reason as to why I revert his edits.

It is quite unfortunate that certain editors by merely slinging this "pseudoscience" and "cryptozoology" label around can cause an appearance of WP:PSEUDOSCIENCE breach to editors such as yourself.

However, there is no pseudoscience in describing the content of a 17th century book which records dragon sightings. I consider it self-explanatory to all readers that cat-headed dragons in reality do not exist, so I didn't bother to stating the obvious. And I realy can't state even the obvious unless it can be sourced, and other sources don't state the obvious either.--Kiyoweap (talk) 01:57, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've listed some options at User talk:Jytdog#Your AN3 complaint. I was going to check the Loch Ness Monster article and use that as a counterexample but it appears to have many citations to people who are not folklorists. Though the lead makes clear that regular science doesn't believe the the monster exists. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 01:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As Loch Ness Monster is unable to cite one single folklorist, perhaps you are more inclined to believe I cant find much folklorists analysis papers on Tatzelwurm.

Sightings don't provide the basis (tale motifs) for folklorists to base their theories on, so there is little for them to say (Dübi 1940[2]).

If you are suggesting there might be a blanket statement of skepticism as scientific opinion, I wont gainsay anyone from inserting it, but I doubt such will be found. Naturalists and others have talked about tatzelwurm being possibly some reptile, etc. The situation is not the same as Nessie, which has no real mistakable counterpart big enough.

I was still in the process of doing the article, and I don't really have the motivation now. If there is no real prospect of me reasonable protection for WP:DISRUPT until this frivolous WP:PSCI accusation isnt settled on some other forum, I'm just going to close shop on this article for now. At least you didnt listen to the guy who was pretending to work with me on the article while at WP:AN3 posting "please do block", here. Thanks. --Kiyoweap (talk) 10:10, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clearing up another of my early shameful attempts at articles. I honestly was about to AFD the page, which I wrote back in 2005 based on an obscure once-produced play that definitely failed GNG, when I noticed you had changed its focus to something much better. Interestingly enough, one of the sources you used was actually written by an old friend of mine. The Japanese community in Ireland was always really small, and everyone knows each other. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 10:38, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hijiri88: I hope it's better protected now from WP:AFD. I guess I didn't cite them but I believe a couple of academic papers have mentioned the work as well (like "ラフカディオ・ハーンと浦島伝説－アイルランドとの繋がりと近代化との対比においてみる他界観－伊野家 伸一[3]), so I think it should be considered notable. Hearn is probably a minor and obscure author in the eyes of English-speaking Wikipedians in general, so they wouldn't appreciate that he is an author most everyone knows in Japan.

As to Hearn's "The Dream of a Summer Day" being somewhat inspired by the Irish legend about Oisín and Niamh (mythology) in mind, as his biographer pointed out the work was probably developed from an "enchanted memory" of Hearn's Irish aunt who told him Celtic tales, rather than his Greek mother.--Kiyoweap (talk) 05:18, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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If you continue your tendentious editing and edit warring at Mokele-mbembe, you risk being topic banned from the article and the subject. Please see my comment here for more details. Bishonen | talk 16:53, 27 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]

Bishonen. Jytdog or anyone else under the flimsiest of grounds can slap on this warning message of "pseudoscience" at their pleasure. Why did you automatically assume it was merited? It was not.

Next time, please review the actual edit-warring that was involved, as was the case here with Tatzelwurm. I reverted the editor's attempt at simplifying, because he strayed from what was stated in the multiple sources in German. It was sloppy editing, period. Not a pseudoscience related edit-war.

The editor subsequently changed his tact and decided to level these accusation that the edit was "credulous" regarding the existence of tatzelwurm. This is tantamount to people accusing you of believing in Santa Claus, but he went on and on about it Talk:Tatzelwurm#Cryptozoologists. That I retorted to his arguments should not have led you to the conclusion that I believed in Santa Claus. Thank you. --Kiyoweap (talk) 02:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Building a load of content from very old, credulous sources.. hmmm. Jytdog (talk) 04:44, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Johann Jakob Scheuchzer from the 18th century was not so credulous. You in your arrogance thought you knew his mind, but you are wrong. And I already pointed out you were wrong in Talk:Tatzelwurm, where I cited the book which should have read. Stop continuing to spread the falsehood I already corrected you on. And don't go around accusing people of credulity -- because you are now documented as being lousy about being able to discern the truth of this.

The book states it plainly. Although Scheuchzer was "later lampooned for excessive credulity" Scheuchzer had written earlier that: "I myself, although very skeptical about this material, have been assiduous in collecting all the Swiss dragon stories and have had them [the dragons] painted according to the descriptions, but if they [the paintings] should someday become public, I will not give them out as factual but rather as very dubious, and most of them as made-up.'" (Hansen, The Summits of Modern Man, p. 42, Harvard U. Press)[4] --Kiyoweap (talk) 07:40, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When an editor automatically assumes that I have automatically assumed something, and that I have not reviewed the editing I'm warning them about, then it tells me something about that editor's attitude. Of course I reviewed the edit warring at Mokele-mbembe. You would apparently rather talk about some other article, but that's the one I was talking about. Just remember you've been warned. Bishonen | talk 12:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC).[reply]

You issued a "final warning" alluding to existing warnings, which is predicated on previous warnings. The first and full text was issued on the tatzelwurm article. You are now telling me you did not consult this "other article" at all, so you did take this on face value, and I am asking to please go back and review it. What is the big deal? I am not saying you should do it now or within 2 days. I am not as impatient with time as you are.--Kiyoweap (talk) 02:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Request translation: ja:烏丸家 (Karasumaru family), ja:山本顧彌太 (Koyata Yamamoto), ja:亀井重清 (Shigekiyo Kamei), ja:片岡常春 (Tsuneharu Kataoka), ja:伊勢義盛 (Yoshimori Ise), ja:駿河次郎 (Jirō Suruga), ja:鷲尾義久 (Washio Yoshihisa), ja:富樫泰家 (Yasuie Togashi), ja:村田勝志 (Katsushi Murata), ja:藤井恒久 (Tsunehisa Fujii), ja:宮根誠司 (Seiji Miyane), ja:諸國沙代子 (Sayoko Shokoku), ja:世界一受けたい授業 (THE MOST USEFUL SCHOOL IN THE WORLD), ja:にっぽん丸 (Nippon Maru (1990)), ja:馬場元子 (Motoko Baba), ja:生ハムと焼うどん (Nama Ham & Yaki Udon), ja:いず (巡視船・2代) (Izu (PL 31)), ja:かめりあ丸 (Camellia Maru), ja:京都府警察 (Kyoto Prefectural Police), ja:柳川次郎 (Jirō Yanagawa), ja:花形敬 (Kei Hanagata), ja:小林楠扶 (Kusuo Kobayashi), ja:毎朝新聞 (Maiasa Shinbun), ja:田中六助 (Rokusuke Tanaka), ja:角田久美子 (Kumiko Tsunoda), ja:安村直樹 (Naoki Yasumura), ja:三枝夕夏 (Yūka Saegusa), ja:少年ケニヤ (Shōnen Kenya), ja:チャンピオン太 (Champion Futoshi), ja:ジャイアント台風 (Giant Typhoon), ja:引田有美 (Yumi Hikita), ja:松岡巌鉄 (Gantetsu Matsuoka), ja:鈴木理子 (ホリプロ) (Riko Suzuki), ja:谷内里早 (Risa Taniuchi), ja:尾崎仁彦 (Kimihiko Ozaki), ja:アーサ米夏 (Aasa Maika), ja:吉村道明 (Michiaki Yoshimura), ja:沖識名 (Shikina Oki), ja:芳の里淳三 (Junzō Yoshinosato), ja:篠原光 (Hikaru Shinohara), ja:沖野ヨーコ (漫画家) (Yōko Okino), ja:徳住有香 (Yuka Tokuzumi), ja:とみながまり (Mari Tominaga), ja:堀内博之 (Hiroyuki Horiuchi), ja:永野椎菜 (Shiina Nagano), ja:諏訪道彦 (Michihiko Suwa), ja:阿部ゆたか (Yutaka Abe), ja:渡部陽一 (Yōichi Watanabe), ja:吉岡昌仁 (Masahito Yoshioka). Thank you very much, if you can help me. --95.244.236.110 09:53, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is quite unlikely I will take up your request on any of these articles, especially pop culture related.

The first few seem to be on minor medieval people relating to Yoshitsune, but the original articles seem to lack citations, so risk being immediate delete request candidates. --Kiyoweap (talk) 14:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Those related with Yoshitsune appear often in Japanese movies, anime, and manga, then you can create them with proper sources. --79.54.23.199 14:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, consider the Togashi Yasuie article which is tagged as {{unreferenced}}. Unfortunately it is not just a matter of finding "proper sources". It makes spurious claims:

<He was appointed governor/shugo>

<Togashi[no suke] of historical romance (Gikeiki) is based on the historical Togashi Yasutoki>

When I googled, the first claim is rejected by several sources. And I don't find proper scholarship that concurs with the second statement, though some local historians in the past or novelist Yoshikawa Eiji might have believed it.

So it probably needs to be rewritten. It is not a good candidate for translation in its state.--Kiyoweap (talk) 03:26, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please, don't forget it, if you can. --79.44.235.28 08:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Utsubo is a fictional character, appeared also in Yoshitsune (NHK Taiga drama) del 1966 (ja:義経 (NHK大河ドラマ)). Please, can you create her own voice, with a detailed story, because she is a very important character in this series? The 49 episodes are here. Thank you. --80.180.94.96 13:50, 30 May 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.180.94.96 (talk) [reply]

I am personally more interested in learning whether the favorite delicacy of Romans was utsubo (moray eel) as stated in Yamazaki Mari's Thermae Romae or if it was the unagi (eel), as depicted in Wazarai Shizuya [it] Cestus (manga) [it].

However, I did translate a pertinent paragraph about Utsubo (performed by Ueto Aya) on Talk:Yoshitsune (TV series). --Kiyoweap (talk) 01:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I want her own page about the character from Yoshitsune TV series 2005. Please, can you do it, because I'm too busy? --80.181.63.195 06:23, 31 May 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.181.63.195 (talk) [reply]

No.

A page on Utsubo does not belong here, since it does not satisfy Wikipedia:Notability criteria.

Non-notable articles get WP:DELETEd. --Kiyoweap (talk) 08:39, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then, can you create List of Yoshitsune (TV series) characters? --82.52.174.30 08:41, 31 May 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.52.174.30 (talk) [reply]

I am not really interested in getting involved with such an article. And the amount of translating involved is pretty substantial. --Kiyoweap (talk) 05:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

	A treat for you
	Thanks for creating the new Kakiage article, and for improving coverage of Japanese cuisine on Wikipedia. North America1000 19:19, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the kudos. --Kiyoweap (talk) 19:06, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There's the list with all characters, but they don't have their description yet. Can you do it, maybe with the translation from ja.wikipedia? Thank you. --79.44.90.127 08:06, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've never read this comic, having not actually read even Versailles no Bara by the same author. Although I watched a Takarazuka production version of Versailles (starring Suzukaze Mayo / Amami Yuki) on TV and maybe browsed some old anime episodes. It seems to me you should try to find a core BeruBara fan to mount on such a task as you seek.--Kiyoweap (talk) 19:50, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kiyoweap: Today I have been updating all of the articles under "Category:Fédération Cynologique Internationale" and was completely stumped when I got to the Japan Kennel Club article. I see you mention on your user page that you speak Japanese. Maybe you would like to do some updates to the article, even if it may be some rudimentary updates. Thanks in advance. Normal Op (talk) 01:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the ja:ジャパンケネルクラブ and this is basically a stub article with little sourcing. It has a lead paragraph similar to the English version, and a short bulleted chronology. I guess there is an English source on the beginnings, I'll add info about its precursor. I'll generally not be editing any dog-related articles after this week, and going back to my usual interests. --Kiyoweap (talk) 07:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

		A beer on me!
		Thank you for your earlier help and support on the Japanese-related topic and others. Hopefully the weather will have improved by the next time you check your watch, inbox or watchlist. Have a pint on me. Thanks again. Normal Op (talk) 00:51, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@PaleoNeonate: Thanks for the heads-up info, I decided to put up {{tl|Ds/aware|ps}}. I do hope it will prevent subsequent ego-bruised users from tag-bombing me with frivolous accusations of credulity of "monsters" when I revert their editing efforts based on correctness of content.

I will hold off on other WP:DSTOPICS which looks like a long list I cant commit to memory. --Kiyoweap (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your sentence "I hope JoePhin's isn't overly disheartened by the believers of the POV Wikipedia article (not an WP:RS) sling their usual substance-less WP:SYNTH or fringe criticisms at you at Talk:Cryptozoology is a little hard to parse, syntactically, but I get the gist, and it's a very offensive way of talking about fellow editors. Please be civil and assume good faith. Bishonen | tålk 20:26, 11 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Bishonen, the gist was that WP:SYNTH, etc. was asserted by fiat on JoePhin's edit, without an explanation of what particular claim was synthesized.

Joe prompted for clarification: What in the edit did you find to be WP:PROFRINGE or WP:FALSEBALANCE, Crossroads? Joe (talk) 20:13, 9 February 2021 (UTC), yet the plea went ignored, meanwhile a different user also charged him that his "edits do not pass muster", again without specifics.

So I commiserated with the person who is having to take the vague criticism and not knowing what to rebut on.

Sorry I sloppily write "substance-less WP:SYNTH or fringe criticisms" but it should have been → "substance-less WP:SYNTH or WP:PROFRINGE criticisms". This was inadvertent; I didn't mean to reciprocate the other parties for calling me "fringe", but can I complain to you for their slanders and be paid attention? --Kiyoweap (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's what "by fiat" means. Anyway, I disagree with your characterization of the arguments against Joe Phin's edit. There's a limit to how many times something needs to be explained. When you ask about getting my attention for slander, do you mean slander of you yourself? (Because I certainly don't see any slandering of Joe.) Yes, of course, where is it? Tell me about it. As long as I'm here, I'll mention that I find your tone on that talkpage altogether belittling. For example, please don't diminish your opponents by ridiculous namecalling like "Bloodo" (is Bloodofox's name really inconveniently long to type?) or "Hob Gadling person" (we're all persons here). Bishonen | tålk 10:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

If the accuser of a WP:SYNTH fails to explain the infraction, he/she is making a "by fiat", arbitrary accusation. Period.

A prosecutor in court isn't allowed to say, "Some part of the bunch of stuff is unlawful, Your Honor, but I've argued the case law before, so figure out the rest of it". How ridiculous is that? Bishonen is saying this is OK. No, it's not.

I will buy this "how many times" justification for stonewalling (in the sense of "refusing to answer") if it were about overall balance, but not for SYNTH which can be specified.

There are several other options you could have exercised as a fair-minded admin here: explain it yourself if obvious, urge the accuser to do so, or caution all not to accuse SYNTH unless he can clarify on demand.--Kiyoweap (talk) 16:17, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see, you got nothing re what you call "slanders". OK. Bishonen | tålk 16:21, 12 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Actually I consider it a slander for anyone who believes all of cryptozoolgy to be pseudoscience to label me as "resident cryptozoologist", which I said I don't identify as.

I don't knowingly own any cryptozoologist books, except perhaps a book on Hawaiian history translated by Hiroshi Aramata, who is probably easily considered a cryptozoologist by the broad definition.

But if you yourself are actually interested in the Japanese subculture, I will tell you right now that you will not win very many Japanese friends among them if you think it is okay to paint this guy and others like him as part of the lunatic fringe.--Kiyoweap (talk) 17:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May Peace and Blessings be upon You... Forgive me if my response (from your message you left on my talk page) is unbecoming or intrusive, or perhaps not in it's appropriate place. However, I begin by humbly saying "thank you" for your input; it will be duly noted. I am responding about the subjective statement about the many, countless scholars that spoke upon Dhul al-Qarnayn being Alexander the Great, and the informed should ideally take their account as being utmost accurate. Mind you, the great intellects of history, from the pre-socratic period until after Galileo, all proclaimed that Earth was the center vice the Sun of the universe (or planetary order). And that is to also argue the Earth being flat or round, again from countless archaic scholars of before. Most, if not all, people had taken them as being factual or otherwise correct. Today, we know this is contrary to our actual findings from modern scientists, or by itself, astrophysics. May I suggest that it is purely fallacious to say that some subject be considered fact because of the words from scholars. Shall the appealing to authority of scholars, who collectively agree with each other, on context...be taken as a grain of salt...and their views be treated as subjective (opinions or short-finding of their teachings)? Which is also not considered.. there are four madhhaab (schools of thought) in mainstream Sunni Islam, and they don't necessarily agree on Dhul al-Qarnayn be or the interpretation of the Hadith concerning it. Rest assured...that is the stance I took upon that article. If I violated the rules of Wikipedia which you pointed.. then I may have approached the whole situation wrongly. At least u spotted my mistake as folly, and not personnel of Wikipedia themselves. As being arbitrary to Dhul al-Qarnayn true identity...I was intended to inform the readers about what is, or not, explicitly written, as per Qur'an. Islam in the western world is viewed negatively in the minds of the people...and Muslims, such as myself, are producing terrible examples. Again, forgive me if this was inappropriate... and may Peace and Blessings be upon You. RekonDog (talk) 06:22, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote on this matter in Talk:Gog and Magog. The Gog and Magog legend and was associated with Gates of Alexander back in the 1st century or earlier, hundreds of years before Islam.

Therefore the Quranic "take" on the legend deserves only so much space, and not an inordinate WP:UNDUE amount.

Therefore, instead of UNDUEly rehashing the controversy in G&M, the pros/cons arguments regarding Hypotheses about the identity of Dhu al-Qarnayn should be dealt with in that article yonder.

Alexander during his lifetime associated himself as a horned divine being associated with Ammon.

Whether or not the Dhu'l Qarnayn in the Quran conflates this two-horned Alexander is never going to be an open shut case like refuting geocentrism, where we know as scientific fact that the Earth is much much less massive than the Sun. --Kiyoweap (talk) 09:15, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thanks for your amazing works on Bixia Yuanjun. If you don't mind or If you have a free time, pls kindly research on Lishan Laomu, she has other myths in Chinese or Japanese texts but I can't read it. I'm heavily interesting on the goddess of Mount Li. Keep up your nice work ! Cheers 🥂 Thanks. VocalIndia (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@VocalIndia:, I can' actually read Chinese texts, but since the preexisting edit seemed to over-rely on the websource lishiquwen ("historical tidbits"), I've added additional primary sources (zh,wikisource) and some English language scholarly secondary sources.

The Japanese wiki is scantier, but it had the additional factoid that Lishan Laomu is mentioned in a [theatrical play] version of the Journey to the West.--Kiyoweap (talk) 15:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing ! Thank you so much. VocalIndia (talk) 07:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the info. It is enough to answer my questions.

Jonrysh (talk) 06:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thank you for the edit on Mintuci kamuy. If you are interested in Ainu mythology, would you like to read more on ja:モシレチク・コタネチク and expand/translate into English? There is little info on that story available online (and a lot of search results is Okami) so I wonder if you have some good sources and if you would like to work on it. KamillaŚ (talk) 00:12, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks KamillaŚ for the info. I'm planning on researching a different topic next, so prob won't work on it right now.

I see that Kindaichi actually uses モシレチクチク・コタネチクチク romanized as "Moshirechikchik kotanechikchik". The modernized spelling is given as mosirecikcik by a different source, though in an entry for an apparently separate deity called "mosirecikcik iwaecikeik" aka "iwaetunnay" for which there is a separate article in the ja wiki: ja:イワエトゥンナイ--Kiyoweap (talk) 03:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, but if some day you want to return to this, I'd still be grateful KamillaŚ (talk) 23:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 02:14, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:BRD for how not to start an edit war, and WP:DAB for what a disambiguation page is and is not. And don't accuse me of meddling. You convert a longstanding redirect page to a different purpose and make a complete hash of it, it got reverted, deal with it. Now I'll leave it for another reviewer to look at because you're clearly just going to edit war over it. Lithopsian (talk) 14:12, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The point was you were "meddling" without fact-checking. Had you done your books.googling, the first several hits (1, 2, 3) would have provided prima facie evidence that scholarship uses Chronica principum Poloniae to refer to a work by Piotr or Peter, and not use it as shorthand for Wincenty's Chronica seu originale regum et principum Poloniae.

But you decided to delete my easily substantiatable target Piotr, and restore the "longstanding redirect" Wincenty as sole target, even though it is very iffy to anyone who did his fact-checking. --Kiyoweap (talk) 17:50, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! On behalf of WiTricity and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I've shared a draft entry for Japanese Wikipedia, which is a translated version of the English Wikipedia article. I'm searching for an editor who is willing to review this draft and update the entry appropriately. Might you be willing to take a look? Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for reviewing the draft. I've updated the entry per your permission on my user talk page. On the off chance you know an editor who may be able to help at Korean Wikipedia, I've posted a similar request at ko:토론:와이트리시티 Thanks again! Inkian Jason (talk) 16:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The editor who reverted the change is not responding. Perhaps they do not understand I was given permission to implement the draft. Are you aware of somewhere specific I should go for assistance, or are you willing to copy over ja:利用者:Inkian Jason/WiTricity appropriately? If not, I'll keep trying to find editors to review the draft. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 18:58, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed that you mention having a book on Hawaiian history translated by Hiroshi Aramata that *could* be considered cryptozoology, which book is that? KanyeWestDropout (talk) 18:34, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

William Nevins Armstrong's Around the World with a King (1904).

Aramata translated this as Karakaua ō no Nippon gyōten ryokōki ("King Kalakaua's stupendous Japan-travelogue" ISBN 4094031170, avail. amazon.co.jp)

NHK's historical tv documentary ja:その時歴史が動いた aired an episode "幻のハワイ日本連合～カラカウア王・祖国防衛に賭けた生涯～" in 2006 concerning this material, where the part of David Kalakaua was portrayed by ex-sumo wrestler Konishiki. --Kiyoweap (talk) 01:08, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages, as you did with Lisa Nakazono. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: My bad. I was looking at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 September 6 page, and there it looked like a "speedy keep" closure had been performed at the end with some sort of a glitch that didn't frame the entire discussion. It didn't occur to me that the "keep" was for a separate motion to delete talk:Lisa Nakazono. --Kiyoweap (talk) 05:41, 12 September 2023 (UTC)reworded Kiyoweap (talk) 06:18, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And please don't mischarcterize me as actually removing other people's comments from Articles for deletion page, when what I did was to excerpt an IP comment and hide the rest of it within {{collapse}}, then adding my own summary/explanation.

A similar cleanup had been performed by another user (the deletion nominator) who likewise hid comments using {{collapse}}, added the explanation of "irrelevant..", etc., and relocated it to a lower part of the page. --Kiyoweap (talk) 06:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I meant to thank you for your efforts on the Lisa Nakazono article. You did find some real sources, which I though might lead to a marginal keep, but the article has gone now, unless someone wants to work to try to make a NPOV and properly sourced article. I am now looking at a couple of other pages: Kento Masuda and Hiroko Tsuji (musician), both egregiously promotional. The Hiroko Tsuji article is also odd, because of the separate article for a different Hiroko Tsuji, which should mean a disambiguation page. This article is very thin, and notability doubtful. The Masuda article is stuffed with things like bogus "nobility" awards, which are well-documented paid for schemes, and picking a random reference (no. 45) I traced it to a paid-for scheme. There is a note on the talk page to the effect that the wp:ja page was recently deleted; but the page has been (MT-)rendered into something like 20 languages. Anyway, I thought I would ask your opinion: should I just start an AfD, or do I need to plough through each page simply removing each bit with an improper source. Imaginatorium (talk) 16:15, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Biographies of musicians and other entertainers are not really within my field of interest, and I do I participated in the foregoing pianist, and clearly, I only acted on a translation request.

Since you are not sufficiently skilled or sufficiently motivated at finding resources in the Japanese language, the one advice I would give, though I doubt you would heed it, is that you stay away from trying to delete pages of foreign entertainers altogether and stick to the English language. --Kiyoweap (talk) 23:29, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Irish folklore, would you be interested in joining a wikiproject on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 17:46, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kowal2701: Not that I'm uninterested but I think wikiprojects wind up being mostly dead (inactive).

Though it does usefully provide a forum and mailing list of wikipedians on topical issues.

I would note that the major "informants" of oral tradition (e.g. Kizen Sasaki, Dorothea Viehmann, the Swedish Ingierd Gunnarsdotter) deserve their own category for easy browsing. --Kiyoweap (talk) 23:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it’s probably going to be a sub project of WP:Anthropology as the people at WP:Wikiproject council shared your concern. So I have around 10 people very interested, 5 or so busy but interested Kowal2701 (talk) 06:29, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’d like to have a section with useful sources for people that are intrigued but unfamiliar, personally I’d recommend Jan Vansina’s Oral tradition as history Kowal2701 (talk) 06:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the page is WP:WikiProject Anthropology/Oral tradition taskforce if you're interested, your expertise would be greatly appreciated Kowal2701 (talk) 19:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sorry for the spam, I only just noticed that Kowal2701 (talk) 19:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

		The Original Barnstar
		For your fascinating work at Cobalt#Etymology! Double sharp (talk) 04:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Double sharp: Thx for the kudos. I am about to translate this section into the Japanese page ja:コバルト. --00:51, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very cool! Double sharp (talk) 04:28, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]