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Hello, continuing discussion from linked talk thread. Numbering points to (hopefully) make them easier to respond to.

1. I want to say up front, I respect you and appreciate your work. We interacted before; I was the IP user here. I want to keep this friendly because I think we're both well intentioned. I hope nothing in this message reads rude; not my intent.
2. When I referred to repetition, I meant my own messages. I was tired of repeating that I felt that my original point still stood. What I was upset about was feeling like I was being continually misinterpreted; I felt that over and over my original message was stretched by you to include implausible conclusions that I do not support. I do not want users to be preemtively blocked based on vague suspicions (!!! how would that even work?), I do not want or expect there to be a systemic rule-based system for stopping the spread of the jawiki's toxicity or revisionism. I am not mandating that anyone participate in this effort; of course it is entirely on a volunteer basis. I don't think reading these conclusions from my original message was conceivable, and was surprised that such conclusions continued to be arrived at. My point is short and I think reasonable: the jawiki has serious issues that have before and will continue to come over to the enwiki on occasion, and others should be aware of this possibility. That's it.
3. Your bringing up the issues of the enwiki and other wikis feel a little like whataboutisms. Of course other wikis have issues; I'm already vocally critical of the Korean Wikipedia and namuwiki; example. I don't only criticize the Japanese Wikipedia. I think it is reasonable to bring it up on that WikiProject talk page is to let people in a relevant sphere know that, hey, this specific Wikipedia may impact you negatively because of its issues. Just as I've done in my linked example for WikiProject Korea. I am equal opportunity critical; nobody is safe from me (/s).
4. However, I do feel that the Japanese Wikipedia's problems are particularly severe. As I'm sure you're now aware, I've become intimately familiar with how their criminal justice system works. It is so inadequate in dealing with obvious malicious POV pushing that it has had a severe negative impact on pages about ethnic groups and World War II. These issues have gone unfixed for many years; while this sometimes happens on the English Wikipedia (I know, I've rewritten a number of such pages personally), I'd argue the Japanese Wikipedia's problems are far more severe and obvious. This conclusion I'm drawing is supported by research. That report I linked, this study, and these.
5. That one example I linked that was reverted? I'm happy it was. But that's an outlier. Look at that user's dozens of other toxic edits that never were. Look at the abuse they've hurled at others (and only have received a 1 week talk page ban lol literally a nothing sanction for the severity of their abuse). They have been doing this for months and have still not been banned. They were reported at ANI and the admin just sat on the report and quietly archived it. No verdict, no mediating conversation, not even any reminders to any party to keep conduct within acceptable bounds despite obvious violations. Just quiet archiving and ignoring the issue. The enwiki has problems (we're both pretty experienced in how this website works; I've made >80,000 edits total), but I feel it's safe to say it handles these kinds of issues leagues better than the do-nothingness of the Japanese Wikipedia. They have one of the lowest admin-to-user ratios of any major Wikipedia. To my understanding, this opinion is shared by a significant proportion of Japanese Wikipedians as well.
6. I have not reported that user on the enwiki yet because they have not violated enwiki's rules to an obvious degree yet. I know how the system works. Once they do I'll report it, but not preemptively.
7. I'm not trying to organize a big, systemic community effort to quarantine the Japanese Wikipedia. I do not have any specific proposals for WP:VPP. I am making a persuasive argument to the group of editors most likely to be impacted by the Japanese Wikipedia. Whether or not people choose to accept my argument is up to the listener.
8. As I said, to my understanding (which is largely based on the research report), the issues of the Japanese Wikipedia are deepset, and actually contrary to your messaging, fairly unique (which is why the Wikimedia Foundation has funded a series of studies on them specifically in recent years). A lot of their current issues stem from their close relationship with 5ch and its toxic culture, and having one of the highest ratios of anonymous editors of any language Wikipedia. None of that is easy to fix.

seefooddiet (talk) 05:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Marchjuly I have tried my best and thought I was doing OK with my image uploads. Early attempts were corrected / deleted, so by not hearing anything I assumed I was doing OK. I am absolutely not trying to get anything under the radar. I am always trying my best. Please assume I was doing everything in good faith and just needed a kind steer in the right direction. This has all been too intense for me so I will try and delete everything that isn't up to par. BJCHK (talk) 06:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read my response to your post at COM:VPC. Not everything you uploaded is going to need to be deleted. What can be fixed or otherwise sorted out most likely can be kept, but there might be some files that will end up needing to be deleted simply because copyright holder consent might not be able to be obtained. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]