User talk:Patken4

Hi Patken4, I am at State College and am involved with the PSU athletics department in a professional capacity. Please do not undo my edits regarding Beaver Stadium. I understand that you likely have this article on your watch list, however, you are not affiliated with The Pennsylvania State University. Thank you in advance.

Patken4, I was thrilled to see that you had started an article on Kobs Field at MSU. I am a descendent of John Kobs, and my family has remained actively involved with MSU athletics. I noted that the middle initial is wrong in the title, though corrected in the text (John H. for John Herman). Being miserably new to wikipedia, I haven't been able to work out how to edit the title so I thought I ought to consult you, the person who began the article in the first place. Thank you in advance for any assistance that you can give me. Best regards. Plummy28 (talk) 01:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info, I did not know that. spongeman2007 No problem, maybe we should put it was reduced because of the lawsuit. Just a suggestion though. (So in the future people don't try to change it) Thanks again. spongeman2007

Hello Patken4...I'm a wikipedia user who also happens to be a Wichita Wings fan, and I wanted to ask you about the reversions you made on the Wings page. I heard that the National Alliance Soccer League bought the rights to the Wichita Wings name, and they were going to revive them, albeit in a much lesser indoor league. I wrote the sports editor of The Wichita Eagle, and he confirmed that this was the case. Since then (late November), I haven't heard anything about the Wings or this new soccer league. I was writing to ask if you had any news about the Wings current status, as I'd like to know more. If you do, please leave a message on my talk page. Thanks, Borksamoht 08:05, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I realize now that you edited a page that already had reference to the NASL removed by an anonymous editor. If you do know more about the current status of the Wings, please do let me know, but if you don't, I quite understand. Thanks, Borksamoht 22:43, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Patken4, I see you did some editing on a Jack Schmidt page. The NHL player for the Bruins. I'd like to know how you knew/what you know about him, I'm his great Grandson. Please Email me at Jacobschmidt132@gmail(dot)com. Thank you.

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Thanks for the addition to the page! I understand how there is some notability now, but now I'm trying to find some kind of concrete evidence that Chatsworth Stadium is, or rather was, the old Kings Park Soccer Stadium. I'm not sure if you're from Durban, but if you are, you will know that there is a stadium in Chatsworth, a significant distance from Kings Park, where games are still played. If, in fact there are two notable stadia in Durban called 'Chatsworth', I'll swallow my words, but I have the feeling that there in an error somewhere and that this mistake is just being accepted on WP, and any changes or attempts to change it will just be rv because it looks like I'm just trying to delete an entire article, and people don't take kindly to that. I'm happy with keeping Chatsworth Stadium, but I'd like to remove all ties with Kings Park. I'd appreciate some help trying to sort it all out. Please! GetDownAdam (talk) 15:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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You may want to read the guidelines for specific types of articles: biographies, websites, bands, or companies. Orashmatash (talk) 22:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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What does this one think of the movement? --Kin Khan 02:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I noticed that you put up the arena histories of all the NBA teams on the infoboxes. Even though I completly agree that this information needs to be somewhere in the article, I'm not quite entirely certain if that info need to be on the infobox. Do you think you can intergrate this information within the articles itself, like using an "Arena History" subsection inside a team's history section of an article?

Thanks Dknights411 17:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's fun to work together at the same time. Don't be shy if you think I made changes that you don't like. I am related to the O'Malleys, but not to Walter. He would be a cousin to my cousins. We married into a different branch of the family. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC) Welcome![reply]

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Are you just going through all my submissions? If so thanks alot, I appricate any help with them as I can get.

Thanks for creating them. Really, I had some of them on my to do list for ages, but it took a guy like you to actually start the articles. :) //Halibutt 00:13, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When you create stadium stubs, please put in a link to some site about the stadium, for verification. [1] is useful. Otherwise, someone else has to do work to verify the article or mark it for deletion. Expecially today, on April 1st, when anything that looks bogus and doesn't have references has to be checked. Thanks. --John Nagle 18:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

YOU ARE QUICK! Thanks for adding those last two tourney arenas...you beat me to it. WillC 22:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi mate, I suggest you take a look at WikiProject AFL if you love your footy, and also Category:VFL/AFL players. Drop us a line with any questions mate. Cheers, Rogerthat ^Talk 06:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Texas A&M Corpus Christi plays at the old Memorial Coliseum, 402 S Shoreline Blvd, Corpus Christi, TX, tel.(361) 884-8227, but the box links to the Memorial Coliseum in Portland, OR. Can you fix this, please. This is under Division I College Basketball Independents. Thanks. Ross P. rossp

Is Hietalahti, Vaasa really only a stadium? I thought it was a full district. I have only been in Vaasa once, and did not visit any other parts than the railway station and the ferry terminal, so I've never actually been to Hietalahti. Do you live in Vaasa, by any chance? JIP | Talk 08:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Patken, you might want to expand this article a bit more. Why is he interesting or significant? Why is it important that he was inducted into the Boxing Hall of Fame? etc. --pfctdayelise (translate?) 14:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

if the conference websites don't have them and i can't find them online, i next email the school that won it that year....i have been doing this since january....i have less than a dozen to go. WillC 22:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I have just announced some of your new stubs at Portal:Germany/New article announcements. If you write more about German sports venues, please announce your articles there so German editors see them and can add interwiki links etc. Thank you, and happy editing! Kusma (討論) 01:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey mate. I saw that you have been involved alot in basketball and would like to invite you to WikiProject NBL. Please add your name here to the members list and drop a line on my talk page. Cheers Jasrocks 10:14, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the venues that have no wiki entries on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_the_Champions

You seem to be able to find info for venues faster than me....WillC 17:11, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I go to www.arenadigest.com to get information on the new arenas, and I usually Google to confirm. User:Odulumni99

Hi, I just caught a major error on one of your stadium articles. (Tom Kimbrough Stadium) I just want to inform you but I will correct the mistake. The West Texas A&M University football stadium is formally called, Kimbrough Memorial Stadium and it is named after West Texas State University's former football coach and athletic director Frank Kimbrough.[2] I will transfer the information regarding West Texas A&M University to Kimbrough Memorial Stadium while I put some new info in Tom Kimbrough Stadium article because there is such a stadium in another part of Texas. :-) --Who What Where Nguyen Why 06:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep up the good work! - Darwinek 21:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep up the good work on China football and stadiums!!!! James Janderson 14:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought you might want to know that your article Angel Pagan has been nominated for deletion. Thanks, User:Clay4president

Outstanding job on the Mike Reid article. I hope you don't mind: I duplicated your comments on my talk page on the disambiguation talk page as well. Thanks for the push in the right direction. (I, too, am an avid college football fan, but not not much of a fan of country music.) —Xanderer 03:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work on the Burkina Faso football (soccer) stuff. I've been following behind filling in the odd bit of info from the French articles, but you're a long way ahead of me. For the Angolan ones I haven't checked, but maybe there will be something in the Portuguese Wiki I can steal. Again, great stuff ! Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi your knowledge of football stadiums and football in obscure countries never ceases to amaze me! Where do you get this stuff from? James Janderson 14:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have created quite a number of "unofficial" national teams, I'd like to know the reasoning. --Cat out 15:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I created an article for each of the non-FIFA playing nations because other articles existed for like situations. I just stubbed out the remainders. Patken4 03:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why not present them in a list. I dont think any will get really large. --Cat out 03:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You have recently created the article Bougainville national football team. This was deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policies. Please do not re-create the article: if you disagree with the article's deletion, you may ask for a review at Wikipedia:Deletion review. --Geoffrey Spear 15:33, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deenoe 14:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please use default sort and if the only categories are things like living people and Harvard alumni, please add the improve categories tag. Thanks.

		Football (soccer) barnstar
		I award this barnstar to Patken4 for creating articles on a number of football clubs. Conscious 09:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I wonder if there is a Category:Handball venues you may want to look into. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for stubbing out a bunch of baseball venues in Cuba. I have added coordinates to nearly all, so if you click on the coordinates and then go to Google satellite maps, you can see the buildings themselves. Thanks again! Rolando (talk) 17:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi nice baseball stubs but isn't there national categories e.g Puerto Rican baseball players and American baseball players? Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi yes my thoughts exactly. Could you imagine how many American baseball players!!!!! There is one for Puerto Rico though and others I beat you to it though! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 13:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know anything about Quebec Junior "AAA" hockey? DMighton 00:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see you added Category:Defunct college basketball venues to Memorial Coliseum (Lexington). The UK Women's team still plays most of their games there, so I would think that this category would not apply. --rogerd 02:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for creating TRNC stadia articles!

• I'd rather keep my anonymity.

That was a pleasant surprise! I work very near that venue. Nice place.  :) - Lucky 6.9 03:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for helping out with the Aldege "Baz" Bastien Memorial Award article. Flibirigit 14:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! It's great you have written so many ice hockey-related articles! However, please remember to use past tense (ie., 'He went on to win ...' instead of 'He would go on to win...'). If you could change that in all your contributions, that would be great! Cheers! Yuser31415 02:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments are sought at this talk page. Talk:American_Hockey_League#Overtime_Loss. Thanks! !!!! Flibirigit 18:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link. That website does have Alfred Steward but misspelled his surname (Alfred Stewart). Yes, Alf Steward=Alfred Steward. I didn't bother to look for the Alf Steward article assuming that no one created it yet. Silly me, ;) --Crzycheetah 04:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like Crzycheetah has answered the question. I agree it should be the same. As for whether you can help, I suppose you can just add more players to the list. Thanks for your help! Thaurisil 10:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I noticed you have added just about every player left on the List of Manchester United players. Thanks, that's really great! However, I would like to draw to your attention that some of the appearance counts of the players you have added are wrong. I think you may have read the appearance counts on this website wrongly. For example, for Harry Moger, you listed him as having 242 apps and 22 subs. However, the website lists him as having 242 league appearances and 22 FA Cup appearances. Also, that website only lists appearances in the league and the FA Cup, but not in other matches. In this other website, Harry Moger is listed as having 266 appearances with 2 appearances in "other matches". I have corrected their appearance counts, and a link to the edit can be found here. If you do not agree with me, feel free to revert the edit. Once again, thank you for your help and Merry Christmas! Thaurisil 15:54, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Palacio de los Deportes (Heredia), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at Talk:Palacio de los Deportes (Heredia). You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Oo7565 22:36, 23 December 2006 (UTC) \ yeah it ok i added the expand tag for you to get evem more help okOo7565 05:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated the article Republic of Saugeais national football team for deletion under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Republic of Saugeais national football team satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. I have explained why in the nomination space (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Saugeais national football team. Don't forget to add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of each of your comments to sign them. You are free to edit the content of Republic of Saugeais national football team during the discussion, but please do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top). Doing so will not end the discussion. Sandstein 22:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• The same goes for South Lower Saxony national football team. Sandstein 23:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Somaliland national football team, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rijeka national football team and probably more soon. Sandstein 20:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated the List of Manchester United F.C. players to be a featured list. You may view the nomination here and state your support/objection. Thanks! Thaurisil 04:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You recently made an article on the Glasgow SECC Areana. From what it read, you were actually describing the SECC. I would have thought the Glasgow SECC Areana page should only be used for the upincoming building and not the current building on the Clyde. Your thoughts? -Coolmark18 15:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You think the changes I made are okay? I was looking for the 'planned building' box just before you put it there =p -Coolmark18 00:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Navajo Nation national soccer team, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. Fram 10:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Multi-Purpose Events Center, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. TheRingess (talk) 17:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind if you remove the prod.TheRingess (talk) 19:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated Malaya Sportivnaya Arena, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Malaya Sportivnaya Arena satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Malaya Sportivnaya Arena and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Malaya Sportivnaya Arena during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.Inkpaduta 22:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i cannot find any sources about the john jay center on the campus of robert morris in pittsburgh....also, if you have anything on the atlanta memorial auditorium, also known as the atlanta city auditorium, that would be great...the southern conference tournament venues of the 1920s have been hard to come by. jjc is from the northeast conference. WillC 16:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Patken4. Just thought I'd let you know, you've created a Bob Murray page, that was already at Wikipedia. See Bob Murray (hockey player). Perhaps we could combine the 2 pages? GoodDay 19:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've created my 'Bob Murray' page, a mere 2-days before you created yours. Great minds, think alike. GoodDay 20:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

THANKS! WillC 21:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, you should provide diffs of reverts when reporting there. However, the edits made by the anonymous user are obvious and disruptive vandalism. Reverting clear vandalism is an exception to the 3RR, however, you did do right to ask if you were unsure. I've warned the anonymous editor to stop, if it continues, report the user at WP:AIV. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Patken4, these two articles refer to the same stadium. It might help for your decision which one to keep, to know that the German article is at de:Städtisches Waldstadion Aalen, which is the official name, with "Städtisches" meaning "civic", however Waldstadion is the most common name. Cheers, --Dealerofsalvation 19:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I notied that you were creating stubs on hockey players. When you start the talk page with {{ice hockey}}, could you also tag it with {{WPBiography|living=yes}} if the hockey player in question is still alive? Thanks. Hbdragon88 01:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 10:02, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The correct syntax for DEFAULTSORT is {{DEFAULTSORT:sortkey}}

DEFAULTSORT is a magic word, not a template. For more info, see Help:Categories#Default sort key and Help:Magic words#Miscellany --DStoykov 20:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my, you just created the Dan Daoust article just as I was creating it. I was just starting before I flipped to another page when I flipped back someone else had already created it. Now there's a nice coincidence. Thanks for doing my work for me! lol. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 16:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How True. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 16:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow this is getting creepy, I knew you were gonna create the Iain Duncan page next cuz it was the only other one red-linked on my favourite personal creation NHL All-Rookie Team. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 16:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, there's almost a competition now between us to see who can create the articles for the best players in the dwindling articleless players pool. I think I'm done, because searching through the list I just can't see any more articles with any biographical meat on them, the last article I created today was of Bruce Crowder, and he played only 243 games and scored 98 points back in the 80s, and after him there's another significant drop off in career notability out of the players still without articles. But be sure to let me know if you somehow find someone else notable and manage to create an article about them. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 16:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I agree I think we basically have all of them. Friendly Competition is never a bad thing, I kinda have this competitive streak where I want to have the most (and most notable) NHL player articles created on Wikipedia, and SkudraFan1 gives me some competition there, its pretty stupid but its hard to argue with the results. Right now though I'm pretty much done creating stubs for awhile, I'm more going for maintenance, clicking on random player articles and making sure they are up to snuff. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 18:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Thanks! I was aware of it but I wasn't entirely sure how to do it or how it worked but I'll do it from now on. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 15:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Joffre Desilets, an article you recently created, does not properly cite its sources, as requested in WP:CITE. Please include a full citation for every source used in the article. Yours truly, Boricuaeddie^{Talk • Contribs • Spread the love!} 18:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please come join the WikiProject Ice Hockey Notability standards for hockey players discussion. I'd like to see input from all our project members who have an opinion. Thanks! ColtsScore 02:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see you have done lot of articles about Finnish icehockey players. Please also add interwiki links to Finnish language Wikipedia [[fi:]] . --Zzzzzzzzzz 01:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lot of contention about the use of the people from categories. You seem to be using it to designate place of birth. From what I can tell this is against convention. Please respond before expending too much more time contributing to the project in this manner. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 18:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My concern is that it is preferable to use people from categories to describe where people were raised or resided for legthy periods of time. A good example of a well policed category is Category:People_from_Wilmette,_Illinois. I have seen much debate at WP:CFD about proper uses of such categories. I am not sure everyone in Category:People from Chicago belongs there simply based on their birth. I concede that maybe they don't have a hospital in Wilmette and thus can't have births there. I am not sure.TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 19:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there, I see all the new articles you have been creating here on Wikipedia - and I am trying to keep up with you! While I am busily assessing the articles with the WPBIO, could you also attach some tags to the article as well? {expand} and {unreferenced} if you can't get back to them to flesh them out? Also a {reflist} to automatically handle any references added in at a later date. Again, thank you and it has been - a challenge - to keep up with you! --Ozgod 03:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are you creating articles about Finnish ice hockey players with some pre-defined template? I had to fix several of your articles that contained misspelled surnames (they were missing the diacritics on ä and ö). Not only that, but some of them had interwiki links to the Finnish Wikipedia, which led to nonexistent articles even when I corrected their spelling. Also, Ilves is an ice hockey team, not a place, and the wikilink to Nokia goes to the mobile phone company - I think you meant Nokia, Finland. JIP | Talk 17:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and thank you for your great work with creating that NHL players articles. I see you are now creating articles about baseball players. Please, insert always also a death year and place information. Thank you. :) - Darwinek 19:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Including real full names would be good, too. - Darwinek 20:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Nemo Leibold, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you plan to expand the article, you can request that administrators wait a while for you to add contextual material. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.

While I (and it seems others) appreciate your dedication to producing content, I think your efforts can be utilized by focusing on quality not quantity. Every article you have created (that i have reviewed) seems to do nothing more than list what teams a baseball player played for, the dates of birth & death (if applicable), and a snipet of information. These articles all meet the WP:SPEEDY criteria. I have marked a number of your pages as such. It would be great for you to spend some time creating articles with referenced content that does more than just state a bare boned list of facts. I will be happy to provide you with some examples of articles that are created with good content. Nothing personal and be well! I have marked this page for watching, if you want to continue discussing, we can do so on here. //Tecmobowl 00:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, they are basic stub articles. They contain basic information about the subject matter. All the information is properly sourced. If the articles were to be expanded, they would currently have a decent introductory paragraph. I don't see anything in WP:STUB that would disqualify the articles. Patken4 00:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While I appreciate the effort to create stub articles, these creations do not merit inclusion in wiki at this time. Here is an example of a stub article that I wrote. It is an attempt to communicate a reasonable amount of information about the person so that it can be expanded on further at a later date. Be well. //Tecmobowl 00:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tecmobowl, if one of your reasons to delete these is that you're afraid no one will come along and improve on them, this can be easily corrected. If the baseball project has a list of articles that need to be expanded, I can add links to these articles on that list. That way, all members can simply clink on a link and improve any article and all the articles would be in a central location. Patken4 01:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is certainly "one" of my reasons, but not the only reason. You are clearly dedicated to wiki's intent, I just think we have different ways of going about it. I would love to bring in some more people to discuss this, and am open to suggestions on how to do that. I do not think that an article on a professional athlete where very little information is provided qualifies as a good stub. I too am guilty of this, so i don't want you to think I'm attacking you. During the 2007 NFL Draft, I was helping to create article stubs for athletes that were selected. I did the article for Laurent Robinson. As you can see, there is not much difference between that example, and articles you have created. I have been busy collecting information on Robinson, but if someone nominated that for deletion in the meantime, I would not complain. The fervor with which you create articles (which is quite impressive), leads me to believe you could not possibly enhance the articles and will not be doing so in the next day or so. I hope you see where I am coming from. Wikipedia is a powerful website and I would like the content to be as rich and as accurate as possible. // Tecmobowl 01:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

With the exception of an infobox, there really isn't anything different between the Robinson article and my recently created articles. Robinson's article and, for example, Rick Camp, both have basic biographical information (birthdate, birth city) and a basic description of their nobility. Robinson's article adds height, weight, and college. They are both basic stubs. A stub does not need to be a good stub to stay. It just needs to assert nobility, cite sources, and provide a very basic biography of the subject. Expansion from that makes it a good stub. For example, this is how the Babe Ruth article looked for the first two months of existence. Granted, Wikipedia was far less known in 2001 than today. But the Ruth article at this point did not cite sources, did not signify itself as a stub (if they existed then), and did not categorize itself (once again, it existed then). If that article existed today, it would either be speedily deleted or an expansion tag added to it. Patken4 01:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, I agree that the Laurent Robinson article is no different. If need be i can go place a {{db-author}} tag there. I agree that a basic biography is all that is necessary. However, I don't know that a line stating the teams the athlete played for suffices. Al Stump is a stub that I created that I believe does what is required. You will notice a couple of requests for citations, these came from a section of the Ty Cobb article. I am close to removing those as it does not appear anyone has been able to come up with a source for those statements. //Tecmobowl 02:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the assertion that these are valid stubs. I have removed the CSD template from all of the affected articles, as the CSD template was used incorrectly and I don't believe the nominations were done in good faith. See my response to Tecmobowl's post on my talk page for my reasoning. Caknuck 01:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well you just said the articles were not done in good faith, it's clear that you don't understand what that means. I have elaborated on your talk page and don't know how to continue this discussion with you. // Tecmobowl 01:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I understand perfectly what assuming good faith means. I invite you to review the three procedural anomalies I cited on my talk page. If you can reasonably explain your reasons for a) using CSD instead of AfD, b) not consulting the WikiProject prior to your mass nominations and c) targeting articles authored by one editor without discussing with the prior, then I will admit that my assumptions of bad faith were incorrect, and that this is just a procedural mistake. Caknuck 01:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

After tagging the offending pages, I came here and left a tag AND a note. I don't believe I have anything else to say to you. Let's not clutter Patken4's talkpage with this aspect of the discussion. // Tecmobowl 01:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Tecmo Banned Indefinitely. FYI--Tecmo has been banned indefinitely for repeated violations of Wiki policy.--Epeefleche 01:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the myriad of bot messages from your talk page. I couldn't see what purpose the repetitive message were serving. Hope you don't mind. -- No Guru 06:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I hope that you haven't left the project. Those baseball articles that you created are very valuable to Wikipedia and I encourage you to create more. Don't let the misguided actions of one editor drive you away. -- No Guru 16:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I second that. You're filling a much needed gap in the wikirecord. While I don't presume to speak to the rest of WP:WPBB's Player Task Force, I know that *I* appreciate your efforts. Caknuck 20:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Calling my actions misguided is just ridiculous. I made some edits and engaged in discussion about those eidts. Other editors reverted my edits and those have remained in place. What exactly is the problem with that? Further to the point, I have openly communicated that Patken4 was a productive editor to wiki. //Tecmobowl 20:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Tecmo Banned Indefinitely. FYI--Tecmo has been banned indefinitely for repeated violations of Wiki policy.--Epeefleche 01:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there. I want to thank you for giving everyone in my list an article. Stub or not, it is important that these people have articles, and I really appreciate you doing that. I can of course give the articles the once over and make them larger. But thanks for beginning them and thanks for staying on Wikipedia.

Keep in mind, however, that, since everyone on the list is finished...there will likely be a second list. There will be more red links. Try not to overwork yourself when you get to them.  :) -- transaspie 23:48, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have spent some more time looking at the issue of stub creation and I must say I'm much closer to your side of the issue than the side I initially started on. The more I think about it, the better I like the fact that people take your approach. I generally focus on focusing my efforts on a small group of articles at a time. This works very well with your desire to create multiple pages. In the spirit of being more productive, I have an idea for you. There are some areas that allow for people to request new articles and to list articles that need improvement. Do you think there is a way to capitalize on your efforts to make sure the articles you create make a way into a well organized list? I just think the current situation needs some attention, and I would suspect that the community could benefit from these efforts. I would be happy to have this conversation on my talk page if you don't want the content here. //Tecmobowl 00:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know at the hockey project that I am a member of, we have a list of articles we have created in the last month or so. So as someone writes a basic stub, someone else will come along and add to it. However, this list only stays around for a month or two. If there were a list of articles that need improvement (probably best to break it down at the project of each sport instead of sports in general), then others can add to articles on that list. As an article gets better, it can come off the list. It could still be a good stub at that point, but at least it has been expanded. The only problem with this is some people who are unaware of the project won't add their articles to the list. But eventually someone on the project will see it and add it.

The other suggestion is to sub-categorize the expand command. Right now, it is broken down by date someone wanted the article expanded. It might be possible to direct those to the appropriate sport. I wouldn't know where to even start with this idea. Let me know your thoughts. Patken4 00:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind, i wanted to keep my thoughts consistent with yours so i copied the info. I like the idea of creating a list of articles broken down by subject, we would be better off. I am hesitant to suggest something that relies heavily on my input, simply because I don't always have time to come on here and contribute. I also like your second idea, although I probably have less of an idea about where to start with that one than you do. Have you ever tried to start a "drive" or a project initiative (or whatever it is called on here). // Tecmobowl 01:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. One thing I've noticed at the hockey project is we do have everything categorized on the article's talk page. What we do is add a link to the project on the talk page and someone will later categorize the article on the talk page (stub, start, A-class, B-class, GA, FA). Here is the link. We do currently have a lot of unassessed articles, but those slowly dwindle. I would think most sports would have something like this available to them. This is probably the quickest way to getting what you want done. Patken4 01:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]