User talk:Tyrone Madera

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What do you need help with on the article? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 03:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Editorofthewiki: I need help with editing for NPOV and making the article better generally. It's kind of overwhelming and I was hoping that someone with more experience with the subject of Mozambique and Wikipedia in general could help. It's currently locked down due to ongoing disputes. Your input would be very much appreciated. Thanks! Tyrone Madera (talk) 03:36, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm mostly here to test WP:REPLYLINK on a simpler thread structure, but Gryllida asked for feedback on a draft intro at article talk. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 13:07, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Given your newness to Teahouse, I suggest you refrain from criticizing the actions of experienced Teahouse hosts, as you did of Hoary. See my comment about your comment. David notMD (talk) 09:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@David notMD: My bad, I've retracted my earlier comment. I get really worked up/upset at perceived injustices and/or rudeness online. I think I need to calm down and chill out. I shouldn't have done that and I apologize for being rude myself (and for criticizing the actions of Hoary, an experienced Teahouse host). I'm not really used to users speaking bluntly, and I've had the same kind of reaction once before. Do you have any advice for someone working on these issues? Thank you for your help in getting used to talking on Wikipedia. Tyrone Madera (talk) 18:38, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First, never remove or amend any comment on any Talk page if another editor has commented since. Exceptions: OK to change a comment if no one has yet commented after, and editors are free to delete as much content as they want from their own Talk pages. Other than that, hold off on commenting about other editors, which is entirely different from disagreeing with their comments. David notMD (talk) 21:32, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@David notMD: So if I disagree with a previous statement I've made I should just add another comment. Doesn't that make it confusing if you change your mind multiple times? Should I go back and re-add the comment or is it already too late? What should I do if someone is acting inappropriately? Wouldn't that require me to comment on other editors in order to address the issue? Did I respond in the right way by apologizing? I'm sorry if I'm responding with too many questions. Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I went back and restored your comment about Hoary. Yes, the preferred process is to add a reply that reverses what you wrote before. I have done this as follow-up to comments made too hasty or before morning caffeine fix. You can also apologize on an editor's Talk page for a comment made at Teahouse or an article Talk page, but that is not a replacement for making amends where the original comment was made. The ground rule for Wikipedia is be courteous. Again, dispute content, but do not attack or disparage the editor making the content. David notMD (talk) 22:16, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@David notMD: So how do I know if something isn't criticizing actions a dispute of content, in the case of a comment? Writing comments is an action. Also, you deleted my last comment at the teahouse. Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:40, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, both. I am very thick-skinned, and unperturbed by criticism of my conduct, so the chiding didn't/doesn't worry me. David notMD is right about the need not to remove one's own comments other than in very limited circumstances. What you can do more freely is strike them out, using <s>this markup</s> (example), adding a brief explanation that you struck them out at such-and-such a time, and usually adding a replacement comment. NB don't strike out other editors' comments, no matter how asinine they may seem. (Particularly offensive items can be removed, but I'd strongly advise you not to remove any, no matter how good your intentions, until you are a lot more experienced.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hoary: Thanks!!! I'm glad that I didn't cause you any offense. Do you know the best way to disagree with users while making it not look super critical? What does NB mean? Tyrone Madera (talk) 23:11, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the Teahouse, if a question seems stupid (not just uninformed but stupid), I suggest that you ignore it. If a response seems unhelpful or rude, I suggest that you ignore it as well, and just provide a better response. If it seems factually incorrect, don't be afraid to say so, clearly and straightforwardly. If somebody is rude to you in the Teahouse, probably better to ignore it: a third party will probably see it and act upon it. Outside the Teahouse, your disagreement may be entirely appropriate; but sorry, I can't immediately come up with any rules of thumb for how or how not to go about it. Perhaps it's a good idea to see how others' disagreement can be effective, and to try to learn from that. "NB" is short for nota bene, meaning (in English, not necessarily in Latin) "please note that"; thus "NB don't strike out [...]" means "Note that you shouldn't strike out [...]". -- Hoary (talk) 23:38, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hoary: Thanks again! :) Tyrone Madera (talk) 00:40, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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If someone could help me delete this image, that would be great. Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:33, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have created this page on Wikisource, if you would like to use it. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:58, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TE(æ)A,ea., Thank you! Tyrone Madera (talk) 01:11, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Cueva de las Manos has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

I added two "Clarification" tags where I felt more detail is required. The first is in the Stylistic Group A section. The text reads, It is likely that the eruption of the Hudson volcano around 4770/4675 BC caused the end of this stylistic group. The volcano can't "end" a group. Does this mean instead the people were killed or moved away because of if?

The second tag is in the Studies and preservation section. At the end it mentions work fell short of recommendations. I think it would be an idea to provide the details explaining how.

Both tags can be removed any time - I just used them as markers for you.

You'll notice that I have included, or made sure that, details from the lede in the body of the article. By doing this I was able to remove the citations in the lede. Normally the lede does not include citations unless there is a controversial or contentious statement.

Best of luck with the PR/GAN when you get to them.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I'm not sure the title needs to be in italics. It's an actual place, not a foreign phrase.

Twofingered Typist, thank you for your help, and for moving citations from the lede into the body. I wasn't quite sure how to integrate that text, and I was uncertain as to what sections the different parts would fall into, so I'm very grateful that you took the initiative on that one. I'm not sure if the title should be in italics or not. The title was like that when I first read the article, and I'm not so experienced enough in the MOS to know if it should be in italics or not, so I just left it as-is. If it's not in line with the guidelines, by all means, please change it or let me know so that I can.

As per example Templo de la Sagrada Familia, Cusco have removed italics throughout article for consistency. Also I think my original thought that it's a real place precludes use of italics. (I could find no mention of how to handle this in my search of the MOS.)

I do actually have some questions and concerns regarding the article. The first is that the artwork of Cueva de las Manos isn't exclusively inside of the cave, and there is quite a lot of art around the cave as well as inside of it. That being said, phrases such as The art in the cave can be divided by makes it sound like all of the art is inside of the cave, instead of just some of it, which is a bit of a concern.

Why not use the phrase "in and around the cave" then?

Another concern is that the Artwork section says Cueva de las Manos is named for the hundreds of hand paintings stenciled into multiple collages on the rock walls. Were the extra apostrophe and italics intentional? It also seems a little weird to have just that one instance of the name read as italics but the rest of the mentions in the body of the text to not. I'm also concerned that the first paragraph of the section seems mashed together and rather disorganized. Do you think that you could take a look at it and see if you could help with establishing an order?

As for questions, I was wondering about citations in the lede. I know that they are supposed to be avoided, but does that include quotations? I noticed that the end of the first paragraph includes a quotation but that the citation was removed.

Yes, quotations in the lede should also appear in the body of the text where it must be cited. See: (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section). Paraphrasing the quote in the lede and providing the full quote in the body gets around this nicely.

Lastly, the final sentence of the Stylistic Group A section is modeled after the source material that it was based on. Going off of what Carlos A. Aschero states in "Hunting scenes in Cueva de las Manos: Styles, content and chronology (Río Pinturas, Santa Cruz – Argentinian Patagonia)", he says that "It is very likely that the great eruption of the Hudson volcano around 6720/6625 BP . . . effectively marked the ending of SGA [Styalistic Group A] in the Alto Rio Pinturas and the high Andean lands." This quotation is all that the sentence is based on. I take this to pretty much imply that the natives were wiped out by the explosion, but I'm not totally certain given the wording. That being said, would reading more into it be original research? What should be written to make it more clear for

readers?

The paragraph is all you've got so nothing can be added, that would be OR. Perhaps put a footnote explaining that the source doesn't define/explain "marked the ending" any further.

Thank you again for taking the time to review and edit this article :) Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:44, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tyrone Madera: I hope these answers help. I'll have a look at reordering the Artwork section and get back to you with my suggestion. It didn't seem too disjointed to me. Perhaps some paragraphs would help. We'll see. Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Twofingered Typist, I looked at MOS:FOREIGNITALIC and I think it proves you right about the italics. It says A proper name is usually not italicized which would definitely apply to place names. I'm busy right now but tomorrow I'll take a look into paraphrasing the quote in the lede and implementing your rephrasing suggestion below, which looks fabulous.

As for the use of the phrase "in the cave", would "of the cave" sound better and less weird? I just realized the full extent of how many times this phrase is used in the text. Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 03:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I changed a few of the phrases to "cave's art" so there's less repetition. I think it's fine now. TfT 28/5

Here's my suggestion for the Artwork section. Minor work involved, but I do think it's easier to read/digest.

Cueva de las Manos is named for the hundreds of hand paintings stenciled into multiple collages on the rock walls,[30] and is some of the most important art in the New World, and by far the most famous rock art in the Patagonian region.[17][23][31][32] The art dates to between 11,000 to 7,000 BC, during the Archaic period of Pre-Columbian South America,[22][33][34] or the late Pleistocene to early Holocene geological periods.[23][35] The oldest-known cave paintings in South America are contained within the cave.[36]

The artwork not only decorates the interior of the cave but also the surrounding cliff faces.[37] The art in the cave can be divided by subject into three basic categories: people, the animals they ate, and the human hand.[17] Inhabitants of the Las Manos site hunted guanacos for survival; a dependency that is reflected in their artwork as totemic-like depictions of the creatures.[17]

The artwork's authenticity has been verified.[4] Several waves of people occupied the cave over time as evidenced by some of the early artwork that has been radiocarbon dated to about 7300 BC.[22] The age of the paintings was calculated from the remains of bone-made pipes used for spraying the paint on the wall of the cave to create the stenciled artwork of the hand collages.[38] According to Fanning et al., it is "the best material evidence of early hunter gatherer groups in South America".[24]

Twofingered Typist (talk) 21:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Twofingered Typist, Alright, added in the revision. Everything seems to be in order: you've been a big help :) Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Tyrone Madera: Excellent. Best of luck with the article moving forward. Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Twofingered Typist, Thanks. I modified that sentence you put a clarification note on (the last sentence). Does it look better clarified now? Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 18:55, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tyrone Madera It looks better now, yes. Cheers, Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... in other news, my school librarian has very kindly obtained it for me! I have not yet seen it but hope to read it soon (or maybe soonish – too much going on at the moment!) and then I will be able to thank, or abuse, you for pointing me in that direction ... :)

Watch this space (but please do not hold your breath ...) Cheers DBaK (talk) 17:59, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered, Awesome! I just checked out the book through interlibrary loan and had a look through myself. I thought it was a neat story, but I have no background in children's books so I wouldn't be able to tell you if it's great or not :)

Enjoy the read! Cheers, Tyrone Madera (talk) 03:09, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I am back in school today and I think the librarian is also in, so maybe we can have a look. I am glad to hear that you enjoyed it. Cheers DBaK (talk) 07:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered, How was the book? Was it everything you expected? Cheers, Tyrone Madera (talk) 18:05, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I like it! (Sorry about the slow reply ... health, life, etc etc.) Having read it with a couple of her regular customers, our lovely school librarian very kindly sent it home with me for the holidays so it is right here on the sofa as I write, and I have had a good look at it. I found it very enjoyable. Obviously it's got a bit of a narrow focus but, given its subject matter, I think it does very nicely. The story of how the images got to be how they are is plausible and fun. I read it with a 5-year-old who was quite taken with it and wanted an immediate re-read, which is always a good sign. The illustrations are lovely. Given that it is basically an archaeological/historical/cultural fact book, with the story as a kind of "wrapping" to enhance its palatability, selling it to a younger audience, I think they've done a really good job here. Thanks again for alerting me and for getting me involved in this. I am adding the caves to my bucket list! Cheers DBaK (talk) 16:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DBaK, No worries on the late reply, as you might figure by my late reply ;)

That is so cool to hear! I had no idea as to the world of children's books, so that was really heartwarming to read that a 5-year-old enjoyed it so. I honestly wasn't sure about its suitability due to the narrow focus, but I suppose cultural exposure is good to start at an early age, even if only to generate interest leading to later personal growth. I'm glad that you enjoyed it also—isn't Wikipedia a cool place to find interesting things? Thank you for your help and input with the article. I hope to visit the caves myself someday too, but until then, Cheers! Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:29, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Although I am completely unqualified to answer your question on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#Is The Golem: How He Came into the World in the Public Domain?, I would suggest that the original film is in the public domain (since it is over 100 years old), thus e.g. [1], but recent restored DVD releases (eg the Criterion Collection, Wilhelm Murnau Foundation), are almost certainly not. By the way, the Er in the German title is directly translated into English as 'He', but I suspect that many English speakers would refer to a golem as an 'it', since English is ungendered, and The Golem: How It Came Into The World might be a more accurate reflection of the title. It's a great film, by the way.

I also noticed that you get messages from DPL bot. If you go to Special:Preferences → Gadgets and check "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange", links to all dab pages will be displayed in orange (like it says): and DPL bot will leave you alone.

PS If you post a request on any of the WP Help noticeboards, it would usually get answered there (if at all), and not on your talk page, as a matter of public record. MinorProphet (talk) 18:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MinorProphet, Thanks, but I more meant that I was requesting talk page notification per #2 of "How to ask a question". Thank you very much for answering my question :). I thought the film was great, too. Thank you for the preferences suggestion, I'll be sure to check it out! By all means, feel free to leave your reply at the appropriate noticeboard.

Do you think that the US release would count as a US work?

Best wishes, Tyrone Madera (talk) 03:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to List of films in the public domain in the United States#Date of publication and renewal status, "All motion pictures made and exhibited before 1926 are indisputably in the public domain in the United States." More explicitly, Copyright Term and the Public Domain in the United States from Cornell Uni states that for Works First Published Outside the U.S. by Foreign Nationals or U.S. Citizens Living Abroad (3rd section) before 1926 are PD. Cheers, MinorProphet (talk) 10:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MinorProphet, Thank you! This has helped tons! Cheers, Tyrone Madera (talk) 13:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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You were asking for mentorship on the DYK page. How can I help? Schwede66 22:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schwede66, What you are doing right now is a big help. I was wondering if I could get help with the DYK process to see if I'm doing it correctly and how I can improve my nomination(s). I feel like there are a lot of rules so the whole process is really kind of intimidating. Tyrone Madera (talk) 23:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, DYK is really just a microcosm of Wikipedia; it's full of rules. It's just a bit more obvious at DYK that there are lots of rules. Anyway, nominating at DYK is a really good way of learning how Wikipedia works as you are getting exposure to lots of rules that you would otherwise be unaware of. And one of the good skills to obtain is to "read the rules". You wouldn't believe how many newbies can't even follow the 3-step instruction of how to nominate at DYK (create nomination subpage – write the nomination – post nomination). What you've done is fine. The obvious thing that would (should) come up in a review is that your article is an orphan. Easy to fix; just go to some related articles and link to your bridge, or write a (referenced) sentence that you can link. With regards to the nomination, I've put it onto my watchlist and when it gets reviewed and you get feedback, I'll see it. Feel free to ask if you aren't sure what the feedback means; I've watchlisted your talk page. I haven't really looked at your article in detail and shall leave that to the reviewer; hope that's ok. There's no need for things to be perfect and any feedback that you do get, you have time to respond to and do something about. You are well underway of having your good work featured on the homepage. Schwede66 23:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schwede66, Thank you!

I've just added a bunch of see also headers to other articles with links to the page, which should help with the whole orphaning bit.

This is exactly what I was hoping for—and yes, I am absolutely okay with it. I'm glad that I have your help, and I'm glad that the process is well on its way, which is good news to hear. Learning by doing should clear a lot of this up, too, so hopefully it will get easier over time :)

Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 02:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schwede66, So my DYK nomination has been approved. How do I find out when it will be featured on the main page? Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:15, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's easy. The process is that the hook now appears in a different set (it's "moved" from here to there) and the next thing that will happen to it is that a "prep builder" will come along and put the hook into a prep area. That can happen later today or in several weeks. But when it does happen, the nomination will be formally closed and as long as you've still got the nomination page on your watchlist, you will see when that happens. And once it's in the prep area, you can sort of work out when it'll appear on the homepage. I say "sort of" because there are a couple of variables; easiest for you to ask again once it's in prep and then I'll show you how to work that out (as I don't want to write an essay now about the 12/24-hour cycle). Schwede66 22:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schwede66, Thanks! However, I think that the nomination is already in the prep area (prep area 1) and is closed, but isn't there, for some reason. Is there a reason for this, or am I looking at the page wrong? Thanks again, Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:42, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Once it's in prep, it won't be in the approved queue any longer. That's correct. I see the nomination got approved a couple of days ago. Right, so now that it's in Prep 1, you can look up when it'll get published. Prep 1 will become Queue 1, and the local update times table shows you what day and at what time this will be published. There are 7 time zones shown so just pick one that's closest to you to see when it'll go live. We are currently in a 12-hour-cycle, which means that the hook will remain on the homepage for 12 hours. I don't think we'll change to a 24-hour-cycle anytime soon, so the time as per that table should be correct. Schwede66 22:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for creating the article. It's a great bridge. Valfontis (talk) 13:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) – lovely article! Will it annoy the h*ll out of you if I make a couple of tiny edits? I don't want to look too stalkerish here! Cheers DBaK (talk) 16:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DBaK, Not at all! Any help is welcome :) Tyrone Madera (talk) 23:20, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Valfontis! I'm glad that you liked it. Which part did you find most interesting? Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 23:19, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, hope you're fine and might remember me. Here's a link to my facebook profile if you wanna talk me. See you there. Thank you. 37.111.139.63 (talk) 10:33, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! It's nice to hear from you, but I'm not comfortable with Facebook as it reveals too much personal information. Maybe something else? Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 16:12, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I use Facebook only. As it is safe and secure. You can easily control the separate audience for photos, address, jobs etc. Everything would be public or private according as if you want. What did you mean by something else? Can you suggest something? Thank you! 37.111.136.77 (talk) 16:11, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My Facebook profile was recently broken into, so I'm not so sure about its security. Does email work for you? Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't. Sorry for the trouble. 37.111.136.135 (talk) 06:37, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! You've had your first DYK on the main page. How good is that? What's the next article that you'd like to see featured? Schwede66 06:00, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schwede66, Thanks! It's nice to have put something on the main page—it feels not only like a big contribution but also like I've done something worth recognizing.

I am thinking about prepping a DYK for Cueva de las Manos for when it passes the GAN process. Are you allowed to prepare a DYK template beforehand and then put it on the nominations page once the subject article is eligible? I can't say I know what I would like to see featured besides that. Perhaps I could expand on a small article such as the one on the Pinturas River Canyon, or whatever comes to my mind to create next.

I'm also thinking about reviewing some DYKs to have a nice QPQ stockpile and to familiarize myself with the review process a bit more. I don't know what the stringency of performing such reviews is—if it's more geared towards "common sense" or "by the book"—or how long such a review should take, so I feel like it would be a good learning experience to undergo. Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:16, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great to hear that you've got plans. You need to wait with the nomination until you've got the article ready; it'll just confuse DYK volunteers if there's a nomination that hasn't been added to the nomination page. If you want to get into reviewing, that's fantastic. There is a backlog that has taken years to build up and there's currently an RfC on how to address the backlog. So new reviewers coming in would be much appreciated indeed. Reviews are done against the DYK rules (the basic set but also the supplementary guidelines) and that's probably closer to "by the book" than "commons sense". The reason that the first five nominations don't require a QPQ is that the rule set is rather intricate, so it's easy to overlook something. New reviewers are therefore encouraged to say that they are new at reviewing so that somebody more experienced can give it a second check. If you let me know when you've reviewed something, I can perform this check and either confirm that everything's in order or what it is that you may have overlooked. Schwede66 19:38, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to the Cueva de las Manos, my wife an I are currently watching a documentary series on Australian rock art. Some of that stuff is seriously old; what's been reliably dated goes back 28,000 years. Fascinating documentary! Schwede66 19:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schwede66, Thank you, I appreciate it! Pardon my belated response. Speaking of Cueva de las Manos, I've just gotten it to GA and I'm thinking about nominating it to DYK, too. The problem is that I'm having trouble thinking of a blurb. Do you have any ideas for a brainstorm? I'm thinking about possibly something to do with the age of the artwork, but I'm not sure if that's the most fascinating part. Let me know what you think! Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 03:29, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0: ... that of the hundreds of hands stenciled into the Cueva de las Manos as artwork (pictured), very few show a right hand? Schwede66 03:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: Thanks! Are you okay if I copy what you wrote exactly? Tyrone Madera (talk) 01:39, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you like it, feel free to use it. Nice article. Schwede66 02:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schwede66, Thanks! Tyrone Madera (talk) 02:15, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Schwede66, I've created the nomination with an alt at Template:Did you know nominations/Cueva de las Manos. Tyrone Madera (talk) 03:40, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reverting my mistake over at [2]. I was originally confused as I did not recall "removing helpful edits" but it looks like my edit somehow conflicted with a few others, removing their contents. I had not noticed this at all. — Vigursii • 📨 22:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Vigursii, Thank you! Glad I can help! Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Please help me with picking an image. Which image would look better on Hayden Bridge (Springfield, Oregon)? File:Hayden Bridge top sign.jpg or File:Detail of the Hayden Bridge, oldest railroad bridge in the state of Oregon.jpg? Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably best to put this discussion at Talk:Hayden Bridge (Springfield, Oregon) so that others interested in the topic can weigh in. If you want more help, change the {{help me-helped}} back into a {{help me}}, stop by the Teahouse, or Wikipedia's live help channel, or the help desk to ask someone for assistance. Primefac (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Primefac, Okay, I put it there. Do you have an opinion, though? Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not particularly, though I do note the first image clearer and already in the article. Primefac (talk) 18:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Primefac, Thanks! Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Cueva de las Manos you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ganesha811 -- Ganesha811 (talk) 17:20, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ganesha811, Awesome, thank you! Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:21, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Hayden Bridge.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:59, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article Cueva de las Manos you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Cueva de las Manos for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ganesha811 -- Ganesha811 (talk) 23:01, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Snow-cholera-map-1.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Tyrone Madera. Can I ask why you reverted me at Template:LGBT rights table Asia? It's causing a cite error on LGBT rights by country or territory, and I had already corrected the fail out at the only other transcluded article (LGBT rights in Asia). So I'm unsure whereelse "Fixed citation calls to nonexistent references" could be referring too. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it was causing a cite error inside the template. I'm just now realizing what I've done. Feel free to revert me back. Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Templates are rife with errors like this, and it's best to leave them alone unless it's effecting an article. This reference is already defined, but not in the article but instead in another template. Referencing and transclusion don't go well together, as it gets complicated quickly. You could use a different name, but then you'll have the same reference with the same details appearing twice. In the end errors on templates is something we have to live with. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 22:20, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the lesson! I was just coming to terms with this as the problems became messier and messier. Good to know for future reference. Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:23, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I spent nearly three months dealing with the fallout of one reference being changed on one template, it cascaded to dozens of article. It was a painful lesson to learn ;). ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 22:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, yeah I'm glad it did not come to that. Is such a mess of templates really the best way to organize these list articles? Tyrone Madera (talk) 23:14, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is an optimum solution. It's either templates or just copying text from articles onto the list. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 00:45, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Have a nice day! Tyrone Madera (talk) 04:00, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I assume you read Spanish? If so I’d be happy to get the book for you; I’ve found a copy on a used book website. You’d have to let me know your address. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:20, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I do know Spanish but I am not comfortable with sharing my physical address online with people I do not know personally. If I had a P.O. box, that might be a different story, but until then I hope you understand :(

If you are still interested in getting the book, there is another way. If the book has an index (usually at the back of the book), it would be easy to find any mentions of "Cueva de las Manos" and send a photograph of the relative pages over email, if you were to order it to your own address. I could then translate the Spanish and incorporate that into the text. This is essentially what members of WP:RX do when all that is available are physical copies, I think. Does this work for you? Tyrone Madera (talk) 22:34, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since FunkMonk just commented that it may not be necessary perhaps we can do without it. If you decide you do want it let me know and I'll order it and either scan pages for you or send it to an address if you come up with one. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:26, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! You have been such a great help throughout this process! Tyrone Madera (talk) 00:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you get the help you needed here? I don't know how but I did see the question.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 23:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Vchimpanzee: Thankfully, a kind soul just went ahead and linked the image to Commons instead of responding. So the issue is resolved and I got the help I needed, although I still don't know how to do what they did. Thank you for taking the time to get back to me on this! Tyrone Madera (talk) 19:27, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Tyrone Madera. This is a courtesy notice that the copy edit you requested for Cueva de las Manos at the Guild of Copy Editors requests page is now complete. All feedback welcome! Tdslk (talk) 17:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

	Thanks for help
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Thanks! This means a lot :) Tyrone Madera (talk) 17:05, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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