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Please use the edit summary to explain your reasoning for the edit, or a summary of what the edit changes. Thanks! Useddenim (talk) 21:03, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, your edit here didn't quite work as it left a invalid missing image and another branch. However although your edit summary said "SOURCE : Old Merthyr website railway schemetic map / Wikipedia list of closed railway stations" I could not find this to work out exactly what was intended. I assume you were just trying to add the station to the one line, so fixed up the template as that. Could you look and check its what you intended. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 19:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Whitehaven, Cleator and Egremont Railway route diagram omits the south-to-east curve of the triangle, maybe because it was an early casualty (1902, from memory). The station was also an early casualty, being closed to regular passenger traffic in 1897.

I believe we disagree about two facts concerning Marron Junction and its station. Before anything else, let me say that as far as I'm concerned none of this is ever personal and I welcome being shown to be wrong and am open to being shown to be wrong on the basis of evidence. Unfortunately the earliest Railway Clearing House junction diagram I've seen for the area is 1904, by which time the junction was no longer a triangle and the station had been closed...... I think I may have found unambiguous evidence

I had a eureka moment in the night, so I got up early to see what I could see:-

• 1. Please go to the Wikipedia Railway Clearing House article, then
• 2. Look down it to the "Diagram Sources" section, then
• 3. Click on the "John Airey 1882" link, then
• 4. Select Download Option "PDF", then, when that has downloaded
• 5. Go to the centre top of the screen where it says "1/289", overtype the "1" with "173".

This should take you to the 1882 RCH diagram for the whole WC&ER, including Marron Junction. On screen it is fairly clear, I've printed the screen out, where it is much clearer.

DavidAHull (talk) 07:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The spelling is probably right but we should not be using Wikipedia as its own source. Britmax (talk) 19:12, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than use another Wikipedia article as a source, you should refer directly to the sources which support the other article. This means that the two articles are not supporting one another in a circular manner. It also means that should the first article be deleted the second article is not left unverified. I am sorry for your adverse medical experiences but all I am asking you to do is not use Wikipedia as its own source and maybe leave an edit summary so we can see why you have made changes. Comments can only be cruel and heartless and in bad taste if I am aware of problems, which I was not. Although this might be good therapy for you, it might be best if you found a less anonymous place until your health returns as this is still the place where your work can be ruthlessly edited. Britmax (talk) 21:55, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can I refer back to a comment that was made quite some time ago with regard to reverted station names on the Bridport Railway and with regards to East Street and West Bay, I can refer you to two non-Wikipedia sources:-.....Bradshaw timetable 1887.....Disused stations website.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 19:43, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can I thank all who were concerned in taking note of my comments about the Bridport Railway and using the information contained in the two sources shown above to update the line template.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 07:38, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note to thank you for drawing my attention to the error in station locations on the North Pembrokeshire Railway. I will correct the matter later today. Afterbrunel (talk) 06:40, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done. You may need to "refresh" your browser if it appears to be unchanged. Thanks again for alerting me to this. Afterbrunel (talk) 09:48, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's done. LordSavage1997 (talk) 21:49, 29 June 2017 (UTC) Thanks for this. I have made an amendment to the historical box to show that Pegswood is stil an open station[reply]

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 22:11, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In the talk section of the Quakers Yard and Merthyr article, you have enquired about the stations on the line.

Personally I don't think there is enough material to sustain a viable article on the QY&M and I was planning to include it in some work I am doing on the Rhymney. (I realise the line was joint with the GWR but it would just get lost in the detail of the GWR pages.)

I hope to get this out by at the latest next weekend but in the meantime here is my take on the station list, compiled from Quick, Cobb and Kidner, chiefly:

• [Merthyr Tydvil; GWR (Vale of Neath) station];
• [Rhymney Merthyr Junction; divergence of Vale of Neath line];
• [Abercanaid Junction; convergence of triangle spur from Vale of Neath line];
• Abercanaid; opened 1 April 1886; renamed Abercanaid & Pentrebach 1913; renamed Abercanaid 1924; closed 12 February 1951;
• Gethin Pit Platform; miners' platform, in use about 1928;
• Castle Pit Platform; Kidner suggests this is distinct from Gethin Pit Platform, but also near junction of Gethin line;
• Troed-y-rhiw; opened 18 February 1907; renamed Troed-y-Rhiw Halt 1924; closed 12 February 1951; remained open for miners until 1 November 1954;
• Aberfan; opened 1 April 1886; closed 12 February 1951;
• Merthyr Vale Miners Platform; at junction with branch to collieries; dates uncertain;
• Pontygwaith Halt; opened 11 September 1933; closed 12 February 1951;
• [Quakers Yard; Taff Vale Extension line station; opened 5 October 1864; renamed Quakers Yard High Level from 1890s; closed 15 June 1864].

If you have anything whatsoever to add to this, I should be glad to see it. Afterbrunel (talk) 20:21, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comment. As you mentioned the closed station icon for Coxhoe station is on the extreme right of the image while the name is shown on the extreme left of the diagram. While I recognise that this situation is not ideal, I have been unable (due to the large number of objects around Ferryhill) to find a way of placing the name of Coxhoe station closer to the icon due to the fact that the station was located on the stub of the Sherburn Branch which was never constructed beyond Coxhoe station.

If you could suggest a way in which I could improve the layout of the comments and station names around Ferryhill so as to rectify this problem without removing the label on the Sherburn Branch, I would be most grateful. User.who.is.anonymous (talk) 20:24, 28 July 2017‎

Hi, regarding this edit - there are two problems here. First, you posted into the middle of a template - specifically, {{User:MiszaBot/config}} - and since this contains archiving settings, this will cause issues for the archiving bot; at best, the bot will have archived nothing; at worst, it will have archived to the wrong place or in the wrong manner. The second problem is that you started a new thread at (or near) the top of the page, contrary to WP:TALKNEW. Your thread has been moved to the proper place by JJMC89 (talk · contribs).

You can avoid both of these problems by using the "New section" tab at the top of the page to start a new discussion thread. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:15, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know how I managed to this and apologise for any inconvenience this has caused to anyone. I am indeed grateful that JJMC89 has intervened in the matter and to your good self for your comments above.

It was indeed very strange to see the type of print-out with all those plain blank lines between the stations, which gave the appearance of a dotted line on the railway line in the template RDT diagrams. Let us hope that the problem will be one that can be solved easily.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 10:55, 8 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The symbol used is correct and does not mean closed station, it means a station with limited service. No main line trains call there so that symbol is used to differentiate the station from the others. --TBM10 (talk) 06:54, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the note. The diagram should perhaps then show both, for clarity. A few other items:
1. Both pages use the same coordinates.
2. The two pages have the same photo.
3. The Railway Clearing House map for the area doesn't show the LNWR station and I can't find a map that shows anything on the LNWR line
4. This map shows two stations, but they are on the same B&M (GWR) line: https://maps.francisfrith.com/ordnance-survey/dowlais-top-1879-1915_hosm43443.png.
5. Also not shown on this map, but referenced in the list of closed stations: https://www.registerofclosedrailways.co.uk/line-sections-closed/1958/abergavenny-mta-jct-brynmawr-excl-brynmawr-no2-jct-morlais-jct.
6. This photograph offers some potential clues as to the stations location:http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/Images_D-H/DowlaisTop_LNWR_A465ToLeftJPG.JPG. I believe the picture is looking towards the north-east (sun is to the right, i.e. south)

• The Junction in the foreground could be the split between the lines to Top (GWR) and the line to High Street or High Street and Line to Pen-y-Darren.
• The bridge beyond the station could be carrying the line between Top (GWR) and Pantywaun.

I am inclined to think the latter.

7. The line diagram has another error, in that there is no link from Dowlais High Street - Pantysgallog (Low Level) Halt - Pont Sarn, which is shown on the Railway Clearing House map.
Happy to discuss further. NJRigby (talk) 18:15, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - why do you keep changing York (Layerthorpe) railway station to be use the freight depot symbol in Template:Derwent Valley Light Railway? It was a passenger station when the line opened, like every other station on the line, and also between 1977 and 1979 when a short lived passenger service ran from there to Dunnington. Please use edit summaries so people understand your reasons. Thanks. — Voice of Clam 06:19, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst passenger services there ran from 1913-1926, when they ceased, I note that in the Wikipedia article on the station that comment is made that after those dates, a single siding at the station remained open to serve an oil depot until 1987. It was a reflection of that fact why I changed the icon on the route map.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 06:47, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The same can be said of all the other stations on the line, which were used for freight after the end of passenger services. Indeed it also applies to many other stations on closed lines around the country. This doesn't detract from the fact that they were opened as railway stations. The RDT reflects the whole history of the line, not just that at the time of closure. — Voice of Clam 06:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In adding an Historical Railways box at the end of the article, there was that of the Pontypridd, Caerphilly and Neath railway which had a branch line to the Brecon and Merthyr railway on which Gwernydomen Halt (which needs an article making) was the first closed station outwards from Caerphilly.

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